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CircleOfSorrow #1 Posted 26 March 2018 - 11:48 PM

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I'm considering getting the PzIIJ for those times I get first or second damage scores in my EVEN and my will to keep playing dies a little.  I have read it is not the monster it once was due to being put into tier iv matches quite often.

 

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Edited by CircleOfSorrow, 27 March 2018 - 12:26 AM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 26 March 2018 - 11:54 PM

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I suspect you mean the II J premium? As IV matches for the III J would not be an issue... as it's a tier IV.

 

 

As for the II J. It's not even close to what it once was. I don't see it to often when playing low tier premiums. But the meta has shifted even there. So has the guns available. Even the last gift tanks have more then enough gold pen to deal with it. Just like the SU-76i, it's not that OP anymore. As most deal with it easy with AP now head on vs before. Tho it's not that I suspect will be the issue. It's your gun vs AMX 40's, Matilda's and Valentines. As II J's vs my Valentine II was always a giggle.



CircleOfSorrow #3 Posted 27 March 2018 - 12:14 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 26 March 2018 - 10:54 PM, said:

I suspect you mean the II J premium? As IV matches for the III J would not be an issue... as it's a tier IV.

 

 

As for the II J. It's not even close to what it once was. I don't see it to often when playing low tier premiums. But the meta has shifted even there. So has the guns available. Even the last gift tanks have more then enough gold pen to deal with it. Just like the SU-76i, it's not that OP anymore. As most deal with it easy with AP now head on vs before. Tho it's not that I suspect will be the issue. It's your gun vs AMX 40's, Matilda's and Valentines. As II J's vs my Valentine II was always a giggle.

 

Yeah, I meant the IIj, and your take on things confirms my concerns to be true.  If only WG would release the new Italian prem medium...



Hedgehog1963 #4 Posted 27 March 2018 - 12:23 AM

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PzIIIJ is perfectly ordinary.., It's OK-ish but nothing worth staring a thread about.

 

I play mine in the format of the PzIII ausf N with a very short barrel 75 mm.  It was a monster five years ago before the great HE nerf.


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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 27 March 2018 - 12:14 AM, said:

 

Yeah, I meant the IIj, and your take on things confirms my concerns to be true.  If only WG would release the new Italian prem medium...

 

https://tanks.gg/tan...matilda&vm=live

 



CircleOfSorrow #6 Posted 27 March 2018 - 12:53 AM

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View PostInnapropriate_Username, on 26 March 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

 

And I suppose it would have great difficulty penning the Matilda.  Seems it could create as many frustrating games as fn ones.



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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 27 March 2018 - 12:53 AM, said:

And I suppose it would have great difficulty penning the Matilda.  Seems it could create as many frustrating games as fn ones.

 

Pz2J is very slow, when you are top-tier you depend on your team dying so you have a chance to do some damage...

But if Enemy team has few TD's, or Derp tanks (a LOT of T-29's in every Tier3 game now days, and they shoot 75mm HE) - you can die fast.

 

But if you end up in Tier4 game...  Matilda, M3 Lee, Valentine... you cant pen them at all, and you are butter to them.

 

And for every game you play, be ready to pay 20-40k+ silver for APCR 46mm pen ammo.

 

Pz2J is just a troll tank, similar to Tog2 but low tier.

I think it needs to be defined just as WG sells it;

If you want 30500 GOLD, you dont have to buy only gold, they will give you one rare tank extra... PZ2j or PZ4 Hydro..

But you pay for the gold, dont expect magic from tank.

 



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The Pz.IIJ can still be a very effective tank, especially in mixed tier II/III battles but even in tier IV as well. Avoid TD's at tier III and make straight for where the enemy scouts go in tier IV matches. When top tier you can expect multiple kills in every game. Just one downside, your ammo will need to be a majority of premium rounds ready for tier III and IV games (it's a tier 1 gun), and it will cost anything between 60,000 and 100,000 credits per battle (after running out of AP by bouncing a lot ten kills ended up costing me about 80,000, and some were on low health). But you've just bought 30,000 gold so what the heck........

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PUNISHER989_EU #9 Posted 27 March 2018 - 08:40 AM

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Nah, its not worth it anymore, it get concentrate now and to be honest the in game Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. G shreds it. 

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The new MTLS will also be able to pen the PZ II J and will become very common very soon. 

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View Post250swb, on 27 March 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

The Pz.IIJ can still be a very effective tank, especially in mixed tier II/III battles but even in tier IV as well. Avoid TD's at tier III and make straight for where the enemy scouts go in tier IV matches. When top tier you can expect multiple kills in every game. Just one downside, your ammo will need to be a majority of premium rounds ready for tier III and IV games (it's a tier 1 gun), and it will cost anything between 60,000 and 100,000 credits per battle (after running out of AP by bouncing a lot ten kills ended up costing me about 80,000, and some were on low health). But you've just bought 30,000 gold so what the heck........

 

Hi Circ... how are ya doing mate? :)

 

Pretty much what SW says

It usually costs me around 40-50K in prem rounds, but you can still pen plenty of tanks with standard which I try to use as much as possible

Just let everyone else deal with Matildas and go the opposite direction

It's a fun tank to play when you have had a bad WR day  ;)



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The PIIJ hasn't been OP in over a year, people just think that because they see videos on YouTube of them wrecking **** when the stars align for them.  Don't get me wrong you can still have great games in them, but most will be painfully bad. Here's a quick summary of the tanks pros and cons:

 

Pros:

1: It has thick frontal armour that can bounce most same tier autocannon AP rounds.

 

Cons:

2: It's super slow, which means on a large map the battle can be swung against your team before you even get to the fight and if anyone starts capping while you're half the map from your base you're screwed.

3: The thick frontal armour can't bounce most same tier premium rounds or AP rounds from TDs.

4: The thick frontal armour can't bounce most higher tier AP rounds.

5: The standard rounds are useless and can bounce of the front of a same tier artillery piece, forget damaging a tank unless you're behind it (which is rare as they are all faster than you).

6: The premium rounds aren't that great either and require hitting weak spots on many tanks, can only pen something like a Valentine from behind.

7: Any competent artillery will wreck your ****.

8: It's weak against HE.



Skiferu #13 Posted 27 March 2018 - 09:44 AM

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No, total crap.



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View PostSnotterman, on 27 March 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

The new MTLS will also be able to pen the PZ II J and will become very common very soon. 

 

Really, the MTLS can kill it with two 80 pen premium shots every 4.6 seconds?  Supposing you aren't talking about some rarefied situation and both tanks are facing each other he Pz.IIJ can destroy the MTLS from the front using half of its ten round magazine, and even if it takes a whole magazine to disable it the Pz.IIJ reloads again in 3 seconds.

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View PostSkiferu, on 27 March 2018 - 08:44 AM, said:

No, total crap.

 

Nope

 

193 games - 67% WR in mine.... so not total crap if you know how to play it........ (yes I feel dirty :()



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View Postrustysprite, on 27 March 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

 

Nope

 

193 games - 67% WR in mine.... so not total crap if you know how to play it........ (yes I feel dirty :()

 

67 % win rate 82 battles, cant understand that win rate. Pushing W and leftclicking. Must be WG secret MM system to boost its winrate to sell bundels - No, but it is an slow tier 1  gun that meets tier 4s. If you want to spray in tier 3 roll out Pz1c. For me II J is an boring hype.

Tested it two battles against the new premium, could not pen it but the MTLS? killed me twice. 

Its not my cup of tea. 


Edited by Skiferu, 27 March 2018 - 01:46 PM.


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View Post250swb, on 27 March 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

 

Really, the MTLS can kill it with two 80 pen premium shots every 4.6 seconds?  Supposing you aren't talking about some rarefied situation and both tanks are facing each other he Pz.IIJ can destroy the MTLS from the front using half of its ten round magazine, and even if it takes a whole magazine to disable it the Pz.IIJ reloads again in 3 seconds.

 

Depends. If the II J runs AP, he has zero chance to pen the MTLS head on, as even 25% high rolls is not enough to get to 38 pen. And with gold it's still not a 100% chance to pen on each round even flat on. More or less 70% like the MTLS will vs the II J head on with gold. So then it's an RNG fight more so then about burst damage.  As even with a 3 sec reload. He won't do 110 damage each time.

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View PostLord_Edge, on 27 March 2018 - 09:34 AM, said:

The PIIJ hasn't been OP in over a year, people just think that because they see videos on YouTube of them wrecking **** when the stars align for them.  Don't get me wrong you can still have great games in them, but most will be painfully bad. Here's a quick summary of the tanks pros and cons:

 

Pros:

1: It has thick frontal armour that can bounce most same tier autocannon AP rounds.

 

Cons:

2: It's super slow, which means on a large map the battle can be swung against your team before you even get to the fight and if anyone starts capping while you're half the map from your base you're screwed.

3: The thick frontal armour can't bounce most same tier premium rounds or AP rounds from TDs.

4: The thick frontal armour can't bounce most higher tier AP rounds.

5: The standard rounds are useless and can bounce of the front of a same tier artillery piece, forget damaging a tank unless you're behind it (which is rare as they are all faster than you).

6: The premium rounds aren't that great either and require hitting weak spots on many tanks, can only pen something like a Valentine from behind.

7: Any competent artillery will wreck your ****.

8: It's weak against HE.

 

yes, but it's still a huge annoyance against fellow tier 3 tanks, especially when they shoot APCR.. of course, why not ??

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Met one on mines while taking the MTLS out for a try. He killed 9, I killed 4, ended up last 2 tanks. He sat in our cap. Had no gold, so kept a bit of distance and de-tracked him every minute.....for 8 minutes....Draw...

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 26 March 2018 - 11:48 PM, said:

I'm considering getting the PzIIJ for those times I get first or second damage scores in my EVEN and my will to keep playing dies a little.  I have read it is not the monster it once was due to being put into tier iv matches quite often.

 

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MTLS with gold ammo (which it can shoot with impunity without major credit loss) rips it's armor up.

On top of that, since 1.0, bigger maps are available at low tiers, and the II J is slow as hell.


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