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Turbotiger #1 Posted 29 March 2018 - 03:56 PM

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A little statistic from today, 20 games played, all in Tier VIII tanks:

 

Of those 15 games were 3/5/7 matchmaking, 4 were 5/10 matchmaking, and one was 15 (same tier) matchmaking.

 

Of those 20 games I was Low/Middle/High Tier as follows:

 

  LOW MIDDLE HIGH
3/5/7 10 1 4
5/10 4 0 0
15 0 1 0

 

75% of the games were in the the 3/7/5 system, 20% in the 5/10 system, and 5 % in the 15 system.

70% of the games were as Low Tier, 10% as middle Tier if you count the one game in the 15 system that is not really top or low tier, and 20% as top Tier.

 

My win-rate was a very mediocre 20% or so, I did my best but is was utter misery, and I really contemplated stopping playing WOT, I had a few good games, but most were decided in the first two minutes of the game, by factors beyond my control, and I am by no means good enough to carry all the time, it happens occasionally, but not consistently.

 

The success in the 3/5/7 system in my opinion is very dependent on the quality of those 3 top-tier players, both in terms of player skills and type of tank. OBJ 268-4 vs Grille 15, OBJ 430U vs Leopard 1, Type 5 Heavy vs. E100. WN8 250 vs 2500+. Get the wrong top-tiers that get themselves killed in  the first two minutes, and you cannot do much as Tier VIII under those circumstances.

 

I don't know the solution to this but the 3/5/7 system is not working. At least as long as the top tier players are not of equal skill and in evenly matched tanks.

 

I want to have fun again, and not have to play Tier X all the time.

 

 

 



Jigabachi #2 Posted 29 March 2018 - 04:01 PM

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I don't have any real problem with the MM, I simply see it as a challenge. However, they should really try to fix it.
Probably, tX should see more single tier matches to break the queues a bit.

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View PostJigabachi, on 29 March 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

I don't have any real problem with the MM, I simply see it as a challenge. However, they should really try to fix it.
Probably, tX should see more single tier matches to break the queues a bit.

 

that's not going to help, tier 10 already is mostly 1 tier battles. I play 90% tier 10 games usually, about 14 games this morning, of those 3 were 3/5/7 and 1 5/10. Not a one off either, often the case

Turbotiger #4 Posted 29 March 2018 - 04:43 PM

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I suspect that it might be the Tier 8's with special MM that is messing the system up, as any games without any Tier 10's in them first will have to go to the special MM 8's, and the normal 8's get the leftovers.

Edited by Turbotiger, 29 March 2018 - 05:03 PM.


evilchaosmonkey #5 Posted 29 March 2018 - 04:48 PM

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Quick question how can you be middle tier in a match where there was one tier?

 

MM is fair, but crap.



Thuis001 #6 Posted 29 March 2018 - 04:53 PM

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Nice that you did this, if you have the time then you should try to record somthing like the next 80 matches aswell. Preferably over multiple day-weeks. 20 matches during a single session are very luck reliant, aswell as the fact that it might be at a moment where there are a lot of lower tier players (compared to what you play) or almost none at all. It does however not make the mm any good.

Fewt #7 Posted 29 March 2018 - 04:56 PM

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3/5/7 is a travesty that puts the entire match at the mercy of 6 players. The rest, 24 players, will doodle around waiting for those 6 to slug it out. Only a skilled player might be able to save the match should the top tier tanks players on your team be horrible. And even then, most of the time the top tier tanks are also not on par. A TYPE 4 Heavy versus an AMX 50 120.... good luck with that.

 

I'd rather wait half a minute longer to get a 5/10 match than get in a match which is over in 2 minutes bec the top tier tank players are not up to the task. Steam rolls are not fun, on both sides.


Edited by Fewt, 29 March 2018 - 04:57 PM.


Homer_J #8 Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:04 PM

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View PostFewt, on 29 March 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

Steam rolls are not fun, on both sides.

That's your opinion.

 

I love 'em.  Especially if I'm on the losing side, get it over with quick.



Fewt #9 Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:09 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 29 March 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

That's your opinion.

 

I love 'em.  Especially if I'm on the losing side, get it over with quick.

 

Haha :teethhappy: Maybe I should end it quicker next time by just drowning. :child:

Homer_J #10 Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:12 PM

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View PostFewt, on 29 March 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

 

 Maybe I should end it quicker next time by just drowning. 

It always gives me much pleasure when an enemy feels they are against such overwhelming odds that they need to do that.  Which is one reason why I don't do it myself.



vasilinhorulezz #11 Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:18 PM

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Working as intended.

Gremlin182 #12 Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:26 PM

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I suspect that tier 8 is one of if not the most popular tier, though that's just an assumption I will have to see if there is a way to check.

 

We have had +2 mm for as long as I have been playing and usually there would be a decent number of games where you would be top tier.

Now the game the MM is trying to give everyone is 3 5 7 those large numbers of tier 8s find themselves low or mid tier way more often than top.

If the 3 5 7 is to continue perhaps don't make it the default.

Have the MM try for 5 10, if it cannot do that then go for all the same tier and only after failing there go for 3 5 7.

 

having only 3 top tier tanks is abysmal anyway especially now those top tier tanks are likely to be neither heavy nor Medium tanks.

Try an assault map where the attacking team is split into 2 or more divisions and where you have a top tier Light and an SPG plus say one heavy.

Once the defending team know where that lone top tier heavy is they can ambush him.

Even if you were fortunate to be given 3 top tier heavies you are likely to have them split to different flanks while the defenders can move to meet you with all 3 of theirs.

 

No wonder we get more and more one flank attacks in standard games sometimes you just do not have enough good strong tanks to do otherwise.

In the past it was a given that light tanks would nearly always fill the bottom tier spot thanks to scout mm and usually SPGs would be low and or mid tiers.

The balance has changed and while in some ways its better in others it isn't.



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View PostThuis001, on 29 March 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

Nice that you did this, if you have the time then you should try to record somthing like the next 80 matches aswell. Preferably over multiple day-weeks. 20 matches during a single session are very luck reliant, aswell as the fact that it might be at a moment where there are a lot of lower tier players (compared to what you play) or almost none at all. It does however not make the mm any good.

 

prior to Xmas i was keeping a check of what the MM was giving me for various tanks I played. I had around 2k battles over a few weeks (not all Tier 8). Of the 480 Tier 8 battles,  70% bottom, 13% middle, 10% top, 6% same. The bottom were 65% 3/5/7 35% 5/10

 

Ideally i think you should be 25% top, 25% middle, 25% bottom, 25% same. I appreciate that it would be impossible to get this exact due to player numbers/tanks been played, but i dont see any reason why any of those percentages should be higher than 40% maximum. Id glady wait longer to get into a battle if this is what the end product was.



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There aren't enough people playing at Tier 6 and 7, or so I've heard to give top tier MM to tier 8s very often. Can't see this changing in the near future. Stock up on premium ammo if you want to reliable do damage.

Slyspy #15 Posted 29 March 2018 - 06:11 PM

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View PostTurbotiger, on 29 March 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

A little statistic from today, 20 games played, all in Tier VIII tanks:

 

Of those 15 games were 3/5/7 matchmaking, 4 were 5/10 matchmaking, and one was 15 (same tier) matchmaking.

 

Of those 20 games I was Low/Middle/High Tier as follows:

 

  LOW MIDDLE HIGH
3/5/7 10 1 4
5/10 4 0 0
15 0 1 0

 

75% of the games were in the the 3/7/5 system, 20% in the 5/10 system, and 5 % in the 15 system.

70% of the games were as Low Tier, 10% as middle Tier if you count the one game in the 15 system that is not really top or low tier, and 20% as top Tier.

 

My win-rate was a very mediocre 20% or so, I did my best but is was utter misery, and I really contemplated stopping playing WOT, I had a few good games, but most were decided in the first two minutes of the game, by factors beyond my control, and I am by no means good enough to carry all the time, it happens occasionally, but not consistently.

 

The success in the 3/5/7 system in my opinion is very dependent on the quality of those 3 top-tier players, both in terms of player skills and type of tank. OBJ 268-4 vs Grille 15, OBJ 430U vs Leopard 1, Type 5 Heavy vs. E100. WN8 250 vs 2500+. Get the wrong top-tiers that get themselves killed in  the first two minutes, and you cannot do much as Tier VIII under those circumstances.

 

I don't know the solution to this but the 3/5/7 system is not working. At least as long as the top tier players are not of equal skill and in evenly matched tanks.

 

I want to have fun again, and not have to play Tier X all the time.

 

 

 

 

Although I agree that the template system is just horrible I feel I should point out that you can't really be bottom tier in a two tier match, in relative terms you are middle tier (ie the rest of the tanks are only +1 tier). 

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I've been playing at Tier 4, and have had been 100% as Top Tier.




(I'll update this when I've played my 2nd game ...)

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View PostSlyspy, on 29 March 2018 - 06:11 PM, said:

 

Although I agree that the template system is just horrible I feel I should point out that you can't really be bottom tier in a two tier match, in relative terms you are middle tier (ie the rest of the tanks are only +1 tier). 

 

if you are the lower of 2 choices, you are bottom.

SnowRelic #18 Posted 29 March 2018 - 10:19 PM

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Always considered the 3/5/7 a bad solution looking for a new problem. It would be better balanced if it were 5/5/5 and the MM picked a random battle tier, not influenced by the amount of players of a certain tier.

 

And if there are too much tier 8's... you need some special game modes and better tier 7's. (Especially tier 7 premiums.)



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View PostSlyspy, on 29 March 2018 - 07:11 PM, said:

 

Although I agree that the template system is just horrible I feel I should point out that you can't really be bottom tier in a two tier match, in relative terms you are middle tier (ie the rest of the tanks are only +1 tier). 

 

Middle implies just what it says: middle. As in there are tanks above your tier as well as below it present in the game. 

 

In a two tier match you can either be top tier or bottom tier, nothing in between (or in the middle, in other words) no matter how you look at it.



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View PostTurbotiger, on 29 March 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

A little statistic from today, 20 games played, all in Tier VIII tanks:

 

Of those 15 games were 3/5/7 matchmaking, 4 were 5/10 matchmaking, and one was 15 (same tier) matchmaking.

 

Of those 20 games I was Low/Middle/High Tier as follows:

 

  LOW MIDDLE HIGH
3/5/7 10 1 4
5/10 4 0 0
15 0 1 0

 

 

 

That's why I don't understand the whole 3/5/7 "problem". You met:

 

28 Tier 6
27 Tier 7
142 Tier 8
73 Tier 9
30 Tier 10

 

Maybe a bit too many tier IX (probably due to the small sample), but it seems as balanced as it can get.  You were matched against a lot of tanks your own tier (near 50%) a few tanks +2 or -2 (10% each) and the rest +1 or -1.

 

How can it be more balanced? Or, even better, what else did you expect instead?






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