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TheOddRogue #1 Posted 29 March 2018 - 07:16 PM

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Not all tier 9 meds suffer from this, but some do. 220 standard pen at tier 9 is not competitive, not anymore at least. This just makes the tanks a credit sink that you won't play despite really wanting to, because you'd have to spam gold. 

 

You just introduced obj430 and that tank has 238 penetration, this is much more in line to what I think tanks like M46 Patton, E50, T54 should have as standard pen. By making the new tanks penetration 238 you are kind of validating my point, that's what it should be around for it to be at least some what competitive. 

 

Buff their penetration to at least around 240, like with obj 430. 


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but t54 and e50 are still one of the best tier 9 meds as it is, t54 for me personally the best. buffing them more would make them borderline op. 

crnakoza #3 Posted 29 March 2018 - 08:24 PM

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They don't need AP buff, rather, object 430 should get a nerf.

Afdass #4 Posted 29 March 2018 - 08:33 PM

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Well, we have Centurion 7/1 and Leo PTA with 268mm of pen at tier 9, so I don't see the problem in buffing some of the others a little bit to make them more competitive with standard ammo. They all are still workable with the 220's pen but is not the same as having +50mm. I played the M46 Patton a while ago and I actully didn't have that many issues in hitting things with 218mm. But I also played the T-54 (and more recently the 430 II) with the gun with 201mm of pen and that was the real pain. But hey, just press 2.

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View PostNOOBnaKOOB, on 29 March 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

but t54 and e50 are still one of the best tier 9 meds as it is, t54 for me personally the best. buffing them more would make them borderline op. 

 

Everyone is already spamming gold on them, wtf you on about, people would just stop using gold as much if standard pen got improved. Would not make them OP.

Edited by TheOddRogue, 29 March 2018 - 09:15 PM.


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T-54 is fine imho, it got a gun with 219 pen which is fine now if you ask me, it could be more indeed but the T-54 has other qualities.

 

The M46 seems to be king in DPM, gun handling and all kinds of qualities where the pen is the only downside. And 218 pen is rather fine tbh.

E 50, can't comment, never played it and it doesn't look that great tbh.



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Agreed, there has been so many new heavily armored new tanks added to the game and yet hardly any tanks received penetration buffs. Unfortunately it seems like this is the way the game is heading. Impenetrable blobs of armor. I do love my E-50 but it is kind of a credit sink when I'm pretty much forced to use APCR as primary ammo.

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View PostTheOddRogue, on 29 March 2018 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

Everyone is already spamming gold on them, wtf you on about, people would just stop using gold as much if standard pen got improved. Would not make them OP.

people would not stop using gold on them even with 238 pen buff...and why buffing one of the best tier 9 tanks? makes no sense to me,but than again i could be wrong.



TankkiPoju #9 Posted 30 March 2018 - 07:50 AM

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But then you wouldn't shoot enough premium ammo!

RamRaid90 #10 Posted 30 March 2018 - 07:52 AM

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View PostNOOBnaKOOB, on 29 March 2018 - 10:57 PM, said:

,but than again i could be wrong.

 

You are wrong.

 

The T-54 in over-played because it has 330 pen cHEAT ammo. That is the only reason people play it.



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Lol, if 212 pen still works at tier 8, 220 pen works at tier 9.

 

But of course, you could always oblige Wargaming and just press 2 like they want you to, more profit for them in the long run because you'll need a premium account/tanks to keep that attitude up.

 

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View PostRamRaid90, on 30 March 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

 

You are wrong.

 

The T-54 in over-played because it has 330 pen cHEAT ammo. That is the only reason people play it.

maybe people play it cause it leads to two very good(best) russian tier x meds? and has decent armor and mobility? cant say 330 pen is the only reason,it helps,but its not the only reason. 



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View PostTheOddRogue, on 29 March 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

220 standard pen at tier 9 is not competitive, not anymore at least.

 

You should try the T54E1, I think you'll love it. :P

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View PostNOOBnaKOOB, on 30 March 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

maybe people play it cause it leads to two very good(best) russian tier x meds? and has decent armor and mobility? cant say 330 pen is the only reason,it helps,but its not the only reason. 

 

No, people keep it after, because with that HEAT it's better thasn the  next two tanks tier for tier.

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The only problem is the 330 cheats of the t54 that must be nerfed, like on others sub tier 10 tanks.

No issues with the e50


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View PostRamRaid90, on 30 March 2018 - 08:14 AM, said:

 

No, people keep it after, because with that HEAT it's better thasn the  next two tanks tier for tier.

so... its better at its tier than obj 140, maybe the best tier x med in the game,and you wanna buff it still? 



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View PostNOOBnaKOOB, on 30 March 2018 - 07:41 AM, said:

so... its better at its tier than obj 140, maybe the best tier x med in the game,and you wanna buff it still? 

 

When did I say buff?

 

If anything it needs its gold nerfing.

 

It's not that the tank is good, it's that it has ridiculous ammo.


Edited by RamRaid90, 30 March 2018 - 09:02 AM.


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View Postcrnakoza, on 29 March 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

They don't need AP buff, rather, object 430 should get a nerf.

 

That exactly, why do you want to buff machines to get to an even ground with an overpowered one. 

Do you really want to spread the powercreep onto tiers that haven't suffered so much yet?

 

Obj. 430 is arguably even better than T-10 ...

At least I'm having more trouble with them in lower tier machines.

 



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View PostRamRaid90, on 30 March 2018 - 08:55 AM, said:

 

When did I say buff?

 

If anything it needs its gold nerfing.

 

It's not that the tank is good, it's that it has ridiculous ammo.

it needs gold nerfing i agree.

it does not need ap pen buff,cause you gonna press '2' for those types and such with 219 and 238 pen just the same.



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quite interesting,

didn't know the m46 patton got buffed lately.

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/t-54?t=t-55a%7Ewz-120%7Eobj-430%7Eobj-430-ii%7Em46-patton%7Et54e1%7Eskoda-t-50%7Ee-50%7Ecenturion-71






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