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shousee #1 Posted 01 April 2018 - 09:33 AM

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I need to ask. What is holding WG from making MM as all of us want? 1 tier difference and not 2. I guess its somewhat challenging trying to outplay 2 tier higher tanks, but if your top tiers dont perform, you are usualy doomed.

 

I hate beeing in my borsig with 750aplha 1 shotting low tiers, this is not fun at all. You need to realize that grinding stock tanks with curent meta of everyone playing premiums that are fully pimped up meanwhile 2 higher than you in your stock tank its utterly frustrating. 1 tier difference would be much better for gameplay and I can see that roflstomps where top tier platoons can just yolo and mow down your team if your top tier tomatos dont perform would less likely to happend.  



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View Postshousee, on 01 April 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

I need to ask. What is holding WG from making MM as all of us want? 1 tier difference and not 2.

 

Everyone wants that?

 

Funny because, I don't.


Edited by RamRaid90, 01 April 2018 - 09:37 AM.


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View Postshousee, on 01 April 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

I need to ask. What is holding WG from making MM as all of us want? 

 

Nothing is preventing them, other than getting an accurate definition of what all of us want. 

We dont all want the same thing.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 01 April 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

Everyone wants that?

 

Funny because, I don't.

 

I certainly do and so do every player I am on TS with, 3-5-7 sucks and needs to go two players I know quit the game because they are so pissed off with 3-5-7.


 

10-5 works ok so why not use that!


 

 

Maybe it's time to start a petition to have 3-5-7 binned, it's probably the worst aspect of the game as it is!



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View Postshousee, on 01 April 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

What is holding WG from making MM as all of us want?   

They did already.

 

"Everybody" wanted mm where you were never the only bottom tier so they made 3-5-7.  Well, when I say "everybody", I mean all the whiners.

 

I was happy being the only bottom tier with a team of +2, it gave you so much freedom.


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Clearly, it depends from tier to tier, I can see putting 340pen HEAT in my borsig to tier 10, but for heavies and meds its hard. I cant see how 3-5-7 is fun or good in any possible way, maybe if you grind last exp for new tank in fully upgraded bottom tier you can gold pen something, maybe.

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View PostMajor_Madfokker, on 01 April 2018 - 08:44 AM, said:

 

I certainly do and so do every player I am on TS with, 3-5-7 sucks and needs to go two players I know quit the game because they are so pissed off with 3-5-7.


 

10-5 works ok so why not use that!


 

 

Maybe it's time to start a petition to have 3-5-7 binned, it's probably the worst aspect of the game as it is!

 

Nobody argues that 3-5-7 sucks. It does indeed as a template.

 

But 1 tier spread would spell disaster. Longer wait times and every game full of only the most OP tanks of the tier, sounds fun no?

 

Anyway, it's highly likely the players you're on TS with don't think about (or understand) the implications of a 1 tier spread.



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View PostHomer_J, on 01 April 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

They did already.

 

"Everybody" wanted mm where you were never the only bottom tier so they made 3-5-7.  Well, when I say "everybody", I mean all the whiners.

 

I was happy being the only bottom tier with a team of +2, it gave you so much freedom.

The thing about freedom is kinda true, you can just go anywhere and if you do something its just a plus for team since you are bottom tier and not much is expecting from you.

 

View PostRamRaid90, on 01 April 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

 

Nobody argues that 3-5-7 sucks. It does indeed as a template.

 

But 1 tier spread would spell disaster. Longer wait times and every game full of only the most OP tanks of the tier, sounds fun no?

 

Anyway, it's highly likely the players you're on TS with don't think about (or understand) the implications of a 1 tier spread.

That is so not true, longer waiting for games? Do you realize that its would be the same? Waiting times would be like 10s longer at most, if at all? Most OP tanks? Maybe you if you have all tanks unlocked lol, 90% of playerbase is grinding tanks, I dont see everyone playing most OP tanks tier for  tier


 

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View Postshousee, on 01 April 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

I need to ask. What is holding WG from making MM as all of us want? 1 tier difference and not 2. I guess its somewhat challenging trying to outplay 2 tier higher tanks, but if your top tiers dont perform, you are usualy doomed.

 

I hate beeing in my borsig with 750aplha 1 shotting low tiers, this is not fun at all. You need to realize that grinding stock tanks with curent meta of everyone playing premiums that are fully pimped up meanwhile 2 higher than you in your stock tank its utterly frustrating. 1 tier difference would be much better for gameplay and I can see that roflstomps where top tier platoons can just yolo and mow down your team if your top tier tomatos dont perform would less likely to happend.  

 

All of us?

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View PostRamRaid90, on 01 April 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

 

Nobody argues that 3-5-7 sucks. It does indeed as a template.

 

But 1 tier spread would spell disaster. Longer wait times and every game full of only the most OP tanks of the tier, sounds fun no?

 

Anyway, it's highly likely the players you're on TS with don't think about (or understand) the implications of a 1 tier spread.

 

Unfortunately the 2 tier spread already pits lower tier players against over powered tanks, the tier HP pools mean a higher tier tank can and does simply drive straight at a low tier vehicle, no tactics, no manoeuvre nothing, they do it fully knowing the low tier can't knock them out before being smashed!


 

We get 10-5 occasionally now and it works fine, so what's the problem?


 

 

Wait times are not an issue compared to being stuck in games where unless you play the most OP tank in your tier your just game filler to be smashed, it's making a large percentage of the lower tier tanks unusable.



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View PostMajor_Madfokker, on 01 April 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

View PostRamRaid90, on 01 April 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

 

Anyway, it's highly likely the players you're on TS with don't think about (or understand) the implications of a 1 tier spread.

 

 

We get 10-5 occasionally now and it works fine, so what's the problem?

 

 

A lack of varierty.

 

And really I don't know what problem you think you are trying to fix.  Noobs will still get run over by bigger tanks if they are stupid enough to sit in their way.


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View PostMajor_Madfokker, on 01 April 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

 

I certainly do and so do every player I am on TS with, 3-5-7 sucks and needs to go two players I know quit the game because they are so pissed off with 3-5-7.


 

10-5 works ok so why not use that!


 

 

Maybe it's time to start a petition to have 3-5-7 binned, it's probably the worst aspect of the game as it is!

 

1. Yeah! We all know players who have left the game. Sometimes we know why, sometimes they tell us it is reason A, but really it is a combination of reasons A,B,and C, sometimes they say A but it is really C but they wont admit that. Anecdotes are not evidence.

 

2. 10-5 or 5-10? 10xT8 and 5xT7 is going to be nice for the T7's. I bet they would be straight on the forum complaining. Starting threads with "We all hate the 10-5 MM, as everyone knows".

 

3. Oh yes! Lets have another poll/ petition thread. And when that fails to show that EVERYBODY agrees, we can have another, and another.

 

 

P.S. I dont think that MM is perfect, but I dont think the perfect MM exists.


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View PostHomer_J, on 01 April 2018 - 10:23 AM, said:

 

A lack of varierty.

 

And really I don't know what problem you think you are trying to fix.  Noobs will still get run over by bigger tanks if they are stupid enough to sit in their way.

You are so blind or just so closeminded arent you? Lack of variety? What are you even talking about. Seeing VK100P in ur KV-1S or any other tier VI tank is variety? Are you crazy?

 

No they wont, an IS-3 player will not yolo tier VII that can ACTUALY pen him rather than VI player that cant pen him frontaly even with gold, heck even stock gun tier VII cant, do you see my point? A clever player wont yolo something that can kill him, he will play smart. That means longer games and less roflstomps. Roflstomping is ruining this game, its not fun to play as bottom tier since you can have only so much impact on game.

 

I would expect from experience player like you a little bit more game understanding. MM needs to prioritize 5-10 before 3-5-7, I dont mind 3-5-7 from time to time. But not always. As you said its fun to troll top tiers sometimes.

 

View PostHomer_J, on 01 April 2018 - 10:23 AM, said:

 

A lack of varierty.

 

And really I don't know what problem you think you are trying to fix.  Noobs will still get run over by bigger tanks if they are stupid enough to sit in their way.

You are so blind or just so closeminded arent you? Lack of variety? What are you even talking about. Seeing VK100P in ur KV-1S or any other tier VI tank is variety? Are you crazy?

 

No they wont, an IS-3 player will not yolo tier VII that can ACTUALY pen him rather than VI player that cant pen him frontaly even with gold, heck even stock gun tier VII cant, do you see my point? A clever player wont yolo something that can kill him, he will play smart. That means longer games and less roflstomps. Roflstomping is ruining this game, its not fun to play as bottom tier since you can have only so much impact on game.

 

I would expect from experience player like you a little bit more game understanding. MM needs to prioritize 5-10 before 3-5-7, I dont mind 3-5-7 from time to time. But not always. As you said its fun to troll top tiers sometimes.


 

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View PostRamRaid90, on 01 April 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

 

Everyone wants that?

 

Funny because, I don't.

 

funny coming from someone with an average tier of 9.67 ... might see a reason here ...

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View Posttankqull, on 01 April 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

 

funny coming from someone with an average tier of 9.67 ... might see a reason here ...

 

Yes I play tier X alot, that means I see a LOT of full tier X games, your point?

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View PostHomer_J, on 01 April 2018 - 10:23 AM, said:

 

A lack of varierty.

 

And really I don't know what problem you think you are trying to fix.  Noobs will still get run over by bigger tanks if they are stupid enough to sit in their way.

 

The lack of variety is being forced now by making lower tier tanks game filler, so everyone fits derp guns or only plays the most OP tanks to compensate for constant bottom tier!

 

 

 

With 10-5 there are twice as many lower tiers so the situation is very different!

 

 

 

The problem with 3-5-7 is obvious, you have 8 higher tier tanks and 7 bottom tier all the two higher tier come with with higher HP pools, armour, penetration and damage stats, the higher tiers fight together the lower tiers just get smashed by tanks that you cant damage, you rarely get the chance to flank as you just get smashed by the rest of the group, arty and TD's look for low tiers as they are easy kills, often ignoring a problem O-Ni or other heavy that is killing their team mates to get an easy tier V kill!

If you fight stealthy you end up last man of your group in the fight and the higher tiers just drive straight at you, no game play at all simply "I'm unbreakable so don't need to even bother with tactics", a situation permitted by simple maths because of the 3-5-7, if they could be destroyed there is no way they would even try it, maps channel confrontations into head to heads which leave lower tiers ineffective,if you have a lower tier low mobility tanks, pfff, just drown it and get it over with!


 

3-5-7 is garbage, it ruins the game and has to go!



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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 01 April 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

1. Yeah! We all know players who have left the game. Sometimes we know why, sometimes they tell us it is reason A, but really it is a combination of reasons A,B,and C, sometimes they say A but it is really C but they wont admit that. Anecdotes are not evidence.

 

2. 10-5 or 5-10? 10xT8 and 5xT7 is going to be nice for the T7's. I bet they would be straight on the forum complaining. Starting threads with "We all hate the 10-5 MM, as everyone knows".

 

3. Oh yes! Lets have another poll/ petition thread. And when that fails to show that EVERYBODY agrees, we can have another, and another.

 

 

P.S. I dont think that MM is perfect, but I dont think the perfect MM exists.

Sure we cant have a perfect MM, but we can make it better 5-10 would be just so much better in every possible way, also it would screw up sealcubbers a bit :) 



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View Postshousee, on 01 April 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

View PostHomer_J, on 01 April 2018 - 10:23 AM, said:

 

A lack of varierty.

 

You are so blind or just so closeminded arent you? Lack of variety? What are you even talking about. Seeing VK100P in ur KV-1S or any other tier VI tank is variety? Are you crazy?

 

When I started you could face tier X in a tier IV and it was fun.

 

Kids these days.....



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View PostHomer_J, on 01 April 2018 - 10:00 AM, said:

When I started you could face tier X in a tier IV and it was fun.

 

Kids these days.....

 

AAlso KV-1s isn't a tier VI. Hasn't been for a long time (around 4 and a half yeaars ago)

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View PostHomer_J, on 01 April 2018 - 10:00 AM, said:

When I started you could face tier X in a tier IV and it was fun.

 

Kids these days.....

 

when i started that could happen yes, how often actually did it happen? nearly none, none the less you were thx to a different balance profile able to pen a t10 even at t4. with 99% of the T6 you cant pen a Vk100.01P nowadays...




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