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simiid #1 Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:07 AM

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Hello,

 

I opened a poll regarding keep or swap this vehicle but more questions has raised than answers.

 

1. Did AMX 13 57 GF or M41 90GF came with a special crew like Berlin Trio which had 100% BIA ? Some players said it had full crew camo, what does it mean ?

2. Does the AMX 13 57GF has any camo advantage over normal AMX 13 57, because of the WG camo which can't be changed ?

3. What will be pro and cons of one other the over ?

 

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1:no special crew with 0 skill BIA

2: same cammo values, but GF looks like shaite

3: visual pleasure of not seeing WGL logo



undutchable80 #3 Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:20 AM

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1. No they did not

2. Yes, the GF version already has camo applied to it: the GF skin. The regular 13 57 needs camo applied like any other regular tank. Cant be bothered to look up the difference once camo has been applied to the regular version compared to the GF version, but their wont be any / much difference.

3. No difference apart from the skin. Stat wise they are exactly the same.

 

In short, unless you really like the GF skin version and are willig to wait 3/6/9/12/? months until it goes on sale: buy it. Dont overthink it.



azakow #4 Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:34 AM

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In case I have a 1357 GF in my garage and buy a 1357, will I have two vehicles in result ?

lord_chipmonk #5 Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:35 AM

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View Postazakow, on 01 April 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

In case I have a 1357 GF in my garage and buy a 1357, will I have two vehicles in result ?

 

Yes.

Dr_Zap #6 Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:38 AM

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View Postsimiid, on 01 April 2018 - 10:07 AM, said:

Hello,

 

I opened a poll regarding keep or swap this vehicle but more questions has raised than answers.

 

1. Did AMX 13 57 GF or M41 90GF came with a special crew like Berlin Trio which had 100% BIA ? Some players said it had full crew camo, what does it mean ?

2. Does the AMX 13 57GF has any camo advantage over normal AMX 13 57, because of the WG camo which can't be changed ?

3. What will be pro and cons of one other the over ?

 

Thanks

 

2. yes the Gf version has slightly better camo once you put a 100% crew, 100% trained in camo on it,

RamRaid90 #7 Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

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View Postazakow, on 01 April 2018 - 09:34 AM, said:

In case I have a 1357 GF in my garage and buy a 1357, will I have two vehicles in result ?

 

Yes they are seperate vehicles.

 

Like the IS-6B, T34-B, Patriot and Liberte.

 

View PostDr_Zap, on 01 April 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

 

2. yes the Gf version has slightly better camo once you put a 100% crew, 100% trained in camo on it,

 

Only until you put camo paint on it.

 

Since the skin on the GF already counts as a camo skin.


 

Edited by NickMustaine, 01 April 2018 - 12:44 PM.


simiid #8 Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:48 AM

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View PostDr_Zap, on 01 April 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

2. yes the Gf version has slightly better camo once you put a 100% crew, 100% trained in camo on it,

 

You mean that AMX 13 57 GF with 100% and 100% camo skill is better than AMX 13 57 normal with the same configuration 100% crew and 100% camo skill ? How much in camo percentage ?

Edited by simiid, 01 April 2018 - 10:48 AM.


arthurwellsley #9 Posted 01 April 2018 - 11:14 AM

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View PostDr_Zap, on 01 April 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

 

2. yes the Gf version has slightly better camo once you put a 100% crew, 100% trained in camo on it,

YES

View PostRamRaid90, on 01 April 2018 - 09:43 AM, said:

 

Only until you put camo paint on it.

 

Since the skin on the GF already counts as a camo skin.

 

NO RamRaid

 

detailed analysis in this thread = http://forum.worldof...5-buyer-beware/

 

So in short a green tank has paint applied which adds 2-3%. With the painted tanks WG could not apply that multiplier so they added it at a different stage in the calculation (at the base value) and so it has a differing effect throughout the calculation. See for example the Blackdog as compared to a tech tree Bulldog=

 

Blackdog (15.9) - no perk crew = 15.9

M41WB - (14.25) - no perk crew, plus paint (flat 3%) = 17.25

 

Blackdog (15.9) - base + camo perk, vents, food = 30.7

M41WB (14.25) - base +camo perk, vents, food = 30.54 (and external paint added)

 

add BIA

Blackdog - base+camo perk+BIA, vents, food = 31.4

 

This differing calculation applies to all the painted tanks. At some points they will be better than a plain tank with camo applied, and at other points they will be worse. Depends on crew (perks) and load out (vents, food). So Dr_Zap is partially correct and RamRaid is mainly wrong.

 

The actual differences in the main are very small, but they do exist.

 


Edited by arthurwellsley, 01 April 2018 - 11:14 AM.


simiid #10 Posted 01 April 2018 - 11:41 AM

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Here someone has both tanks in garage and posted both tanks concealment default stats.

http://forum.worldof...3#entry15586703

Emeraldweed #11 Posted 01 April 2018 - 11:43 AM

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View Postsimiid, on 01 April 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

Here someone has both tanks in garage and posted both tanks concealment default stats.

http://forum.worldof...3#entry15586703

 

I resetted commander with 100% concealment Posted Image  Posted Image

simiid #12 Posted 01 April 2018 - 12:13 PM

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Still I don't understand a thing, the post with the tanks without crew show for GF 18.75 / 4.99 while for normal 20.4 / 5.33.

Once you applied the crew with 100% camo it shows for GF 36.86 / 9.81 and for normal 36.6 / 9.71.

Also concealment value from 382 / 409 to 752 / 744.

 

How come suddenly the GF is over the normal values ? Isn't the same formula ? Once started from a bigger number shouldn't result a bigger number as well ?

 

 

No Crew

 

 

 

 

With Crew

 

 


Edited by simiid, 01 April 2018 - 12:19 PM.


Dr_Zap #13 Posted 01 April 2018 - 12:28 PM

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The bonusses for bia, camo etc count for base camo value of the tank. Since gf cant apply paint wg gave it a little bit higher base value to compensate. That little extra builds up once you apply skills like bia, food camo etc. Thats why the gf in the end is able to reach a slightly better concealment value

simiid #14 Posted 01 April 2018 - 12:36 PM

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I am so confused right now, because I have the GF and I really wanted to swap it with the normal one.

 

On other ideas, the same bonus camo applies for Liberte, Patriot, M41 90, IS-6 Black, T-34 Black, Skorpion G, Rudy ? What tank have this bonus camo value ?



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View Postsimiid, on 01 April 2018 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

 

How come suddenly the GF is over the normal values ? Isn't the same formula ? Once started from a bigger number shouldn't result a bigger number as well ?

 

 

 

No read above. It is NOT the same formula. (detailed analysis in this thread = http://forum.worldof...5-buyer-beware/

For some reason WG could not apply the same formula and so the GF paint works at a different (earlier) point in the calculation which leads to differences (minor) between a GF version (and all pre-coloured tanks) and the green version.

 

View Postsimiid, on 01 April 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

I am so confused right now, because I have the GF and I really wanted to swap it with the normal one.

 

On other ideas, the same bonus camo applies for Liberte, Patriot, M41 90, IS-6 Black, T-34 Black, Skorpion G, Rudy ? What tank have this bonus camo value ?

 

It applies to all painted tanks. I posted about this in November 2016

So yes includes a difference in the camo value calculation formula for Liberte, Patriot, M41 90, IS-6 Black, T-34 Black, Skorpion G

 

The differences are very small but do exist.

 

detailed analysis in this thread = http://forum.worldof...5-buyer-beware/ 


 


 

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1. What about M46 KR ? Has better values than non existent M46 premium ? Since it is painted. :)) I mean if in the future will be a premium M46 it will have slightly worse camo values than KR right?

 

2. And still why the starting values of GF are worse than normal ? The end values I understand that is a different formula.

 

3. And third, translated in game, this difference how much does it mean betwern the two ? 1 meter 2 meter advantage ?

 

4. Forth, is it any difference or other between the two like the silver income ?


Edited by simiid, 01 April 2018 - 05:18 PM.





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