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Poll: Tier X Medium tank (77 members have cast votes)

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Which one of these should I grind?

  1. Leopard 1 (10 votes [12.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.99%

  2. STB-1 (4 votes [5.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.19%

  3. Centurion AX (10 votes [12.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.99%

  4. M48 Patton (53 votes [68.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.83%

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WindSplitter1 #1 Posted 01 April 2018 - 05:18 PM

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I have anothe Lady crewmember to recruit. Soon I'll have the T-55A which fits my textbook of a "proper tank", so there's that. Leo 1 is also pretty accurate.

 

STB-1 is also on the watchlist simply because it's Japanese and I have thing for Japan... The vehicle itself isn't special and neither is the camo, accuracy, durability, etc.

 

The thing is, if you don't play anything with something you can call "armour", you're toasted in the current heavy meta(l), and the CAX is accurate enough, fast enough...

 

But if I go down the 'Murican line, I already have a crew for it. It was initially for the Cherrydan but now that Cobra6's prayers were finally listened to, I have a trainer for the French light SpamAssassin™.

 

I like mobility, accuracy and accuracy on the move, high camo. The sniper role fits me.

 

But what do you guys think?



Sfinski #2 Posted 01 April 2018 - 05:32 PM

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Even though Leopard is OP, I would go with Patton. It's a great tank.

leggasiini #3 Posted 01 April 2018 - 05:33 PM

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M48 is no doubt the strongest one out of the bunch, with CAX being the 2nd.

Mimos_A #4 Posted 01 April 2018 - 06:02 PM

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I love the Centurion AX, it's a great tank and a ton of fun.

 

But in reality, the M48A1 is a way better tank. It lacks mobility, which is something you have to take into account a bit on some maps, but it's so good at everything else you'll wonder why the hell you even have other tier 10 meds.



Simeon85 #5 Posted 01 April 2018 - 06:10 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 01 April 2018 - 05:33 PM, said:

M48 is no doubt the strongest one out of the bunch, with CAX being the 2nd.

 

This.

 

IMO from that list M48 > Cent AX > STB-1 <> Leopard 1



Legionar_2000 #6 Posted 01 April 2018 - 06:11 PM

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M48>CAX>STB>Leo1

 

Even though STB has interesting gun handling and you like snipers, Leo1 isnt suitable for the current meta and mappool. 



Taylor55 #7 Posted 25 September 2018 - 02:19 PM

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View PostMimos_A, on 01 April 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

I love the Centurion AX, it's a great tank and a ton of fun.

 

But in reality, the M48A1 is a way better tank. It lacks mobility, which is something you have to take into account a bit on some maps, but it's so good at everything else you'll wonder why the hell you even have other tier 10 meds.

 

Cent Ax if it had the proper ammo is way better than the M48A1 but that will never happen so I would go with what you said.

The L7A1 gun on the AX fired APFDS ( Armour Piercing fin discarding sabot ) with over 400 mm pen at 3 k one of the best guns of the cold war era.



Andrasan89 #8 Posted 25 September 2018 - 02:28 PM

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View PostMimos_A, on 01 April 2018 - 06:02 PM, said:

wonder why the hell you even have other tier 10 meds.

because ruskis are here comrade ! RUSKIS !



s0r1n3l #9 Posted 25 September 2018 - 02:40 PM

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Leopard - Long rage support or scout on maps it can (can give some lights a run for their money)

STB - Don`t know, don`t have it

AX - Superb gun, good turet, crap amorack (frequent track+amorack)

M48 - Don`t have it, but friends say it`s a good all rounder, and with the recent buff a good hull down+spotter tank.


Edited by s0r1n3l, 25 September 2018 - 02:40 PM.


Mimos_A #10 Posted 25 September 2018 - 02:52 PM

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View PostAndrasan89, on 25 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

because ruskis are here comrade ! RUSKIS !

 

Well, this was posted before the 430u was in the game. Also, while the m48 doesn't have the mobility of the 140/907 to be valuable in clan games, I'd say it's the better all round tank for randoms.

Kirk_Helmet #11 Posted 25 September 2018 - 04:24 PM

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My suggestion for you, based on personal impressions, are:

 

If the sniper role fits you then go for CAX - it has a great gun and doesn't sacrifice too much of anything, turret armor is good, mobility and dpm are decent too.

 

M48 is also a great option as it is a great all rounder that lakcs just a bit of mobility, but it's dpm may save the day.

 

STB-1 is way worse than both M48 and CAX. It is not great at anything - turret armor is completely random (may bounce, may not), accuracy is meh (especially soft gun stats are disappionting), it's not really better at mobility... It feels just like it wanted to be an all rounder like the M48 but is just worse at everything except mobility.

 

Don't have Leo 1 so can't say anything about it.



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M48>AX>Leo>STB in that order but yeah Leopard totally OP tank according to some people who i doubt have ever actually played the tank.. :medal: here's to you WG

Dava_117 #13 Posted 25 September 2018 - 04:53 PM

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View PostTaylor55, on 25 September 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

 

Cent Ax if it had the proper ammo is way better than the M48A1 but that will never happen so I would go with what you said.

The L7A1 gun on the AX fired APFDS ( Armour Piercing fin discarding sabot ) with over 400 mm pen at 3 k one of the best guns of the cold war era.

 

It doesn't shoot APFSDS because fin stabilization is used only on smoothbore guns, that are out of WoT by dev choice.

Edited by Dava_117, 25 September 2018 - 04:53 PM.


spuff #14 Posted 25 September 2018 - 05:03 PM

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Well if you want the Leo and are getting T55A get the crew as Leo crew and you can use them without penalty in the T55A too!

PervyPastryPuffer #15 Posted 25 September 2018 - 05:25 PM

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Yet another necroed thread.

arthurwellsley #16 Posted 25 September 2018 - 05:27 PM

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What is it today with necro threads?

 

I own all four.

 

STB - I liked the tier VIII, the tier IX is decent, the tier X is a serious disappointment.

Leopard 1 - the Indien is horrible, the PTA is decent, the Leopard 1 has been the victim of serious power creep and is a pale shadow of where it once was in the tier X pecking order.

CAX - The tier VIII is deeply lacklustre, the tier IX is surprisingly decent, and the CAX is sort of all rightish, but no great shakes (I like it, but thats just me).

M48 Patton - easily the best of the four post it's substantial recent buff. M26 Pershing is fine at tier VIII, and M46 Patton is a very decent tier IX, so even the grind up the line is pleasant. I even like the M4A3E8 at tier VI, and think the T20 at tier VII is one of the best mediums at tier VII (although thats not saying very much).

 

Make Merica Great Again - Grind the M48!!


Edited by arthurwellsley, 25 September 2018 - 05:27 PM.


spuriousmonkey #17 Posted 25 September 2018 - 06:10 PM

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I can't patton.

 

I don't know what it is. Maybe the gun is too snappy and accurate. I am not used to that.



leggasiini #18 Posted 26 September 2018 - 08:56 AM

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View PostDava_117, on 25 September 2018 - 05:53 PM, said:

 

It doesn't shoot APFSDS because fin stabilization is used only on smoothbore guns, that are out of WoT by dev choice.

 

Wrong, APFSDS shells were used on later rifled guns as well. There aren’t many APFSDS shells (just like APDS, which this game has plenty, are under ”APCR” designation since actual mechanics for APDS/APFSDS doesn’t exist in-game) in-game, if at all, but that is mostly because they appeared in 60’s and all of them have around +350 penetration at least.

 

Pretty sure that 105 mm L7 was eventually supplied with APFSDS shells with 380ish penetration or so, Brits used 120mm rifled guns for a long while just to be able to shoot HESH but they also had APFSDS with those guns.

 

I think the Obj 277’s APCR shells on test server were basically APFSDS rounds, considering the ridiculous velocity and pen. It never got to the game, though (thank god). Other than that, I don’t know if the game has any APCR shells that were IRL APFSDS shells; pretty sure the APCR on L7 guns in-game is based on weaker, earlier APDS shells (altho which historically still had more pen). The STRV 103s might have APFSDS shells, but I don’t know if those were ever supplied with APFSDS, so they might be just APDS shells.

 

I’m pretty sure there is a plenty of HEAT shells that are based on HEATFS in-game, though, such as RU-251/Kanonen 90 HEAT and 105mm L7 HEAT (both of them are significantly nerfed, though; RU 251 had 400mm pen on those rounds IIRC). Key feature of those is the exceptionally high velocity compared to basic HEAT (still way lower than the APFSDS shells, though); which is seen in-game as well - in fact, the HEAT shells are faster than RU 251’s standard APCR shells, which is pretty hilarious.

 

EDIT: Also why was this thread necroed again


Edited by leggasiini, 26 September 2018 - 09:00 AM.


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View Postleggasiini, on 26 September 2018 - 07:56 AM, said:

 

Wrong, APFSDS shells were used on later rifled guns as well. There aren’t many APFSDS shells (just like APDS, which this game has plenty, are under ”APCR” designation since actual mechanics for APDS/APFSDS doesn’t exist in-game) in-game, if at all, but that is mostly because they appeared in 60’s and all of them have around +350 penetration at least.

 

Pretty sure that 105 mm L7 was eventually supplied with APFSDS shells with 380ish penetration or so, Brits used 120mm rifled guns for a long while just to be able to shoot HESH but they also had APFSDS with those guns.

 

I think the Obj 277’s APCR shells on test server were basically APFSDS rounds, considering the ridiculous velocity and pen. It never got to the game, though (thank god). Other than that, I don’t know if the game has any APCR shells that were IRL APFSDS shells; pretty sure the APCR on L7 guns in-game is based on weaker, earlier APDS shells (altho which historically still had more pen). The STRV 103s might have APFSDS shells, but I don’t know if those were ever supplied with APFSDS, so they might be just APDS shells.

 

I’m pretty sure there is a plenty of HEAT shells that are based on HEATFS in-game, though, such as RU-251/Kanonen 90 HEAT and 105mm L7 HEAT (both of them are significantly nerfed, though; RU 251 had 400mm pen on those rounds IIRC). Key feature of those is the exceptionally high velocity compared to basic HEAT (still way lower than the APFSDS shells, though); which is seen in-game as well - in fact, the HEAT shells are faster than RU 251’s standard APCR shells, which is pretty hilarious.

 

EDIT: Also why was this thread necroed again

 

The British L7 definitely had APFSDS ammunition at certain points in it's service life.

STRV 103 had a gun made by Bofors which was effectively a licenced L7, and was designed to be compatible with British L7 ammunition. It follows that if the British had APFSDS the Swedes could buy the rounds from the British and fire them from the STRV 103.



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View Postleggasiini, on 26 September 2018 - 08:56 AM, said:

 

Wrong, APFSDS shells were used on later rifled guns as well. There aren’t many APFSDS shells (just like APDS, which this game has plenty, are under ”APCR” designation since actual mechanics for APDS/APFSDS doesn’t exist in-game) in-game, if at all, but that is mostly because they appeared in 60’s and all of them have around +350 penetration at least.

 

Pretty sure that 105 mm L7 was eventually supplied with APFSDS shells with 380ish penetration or so, Brits used 120mm rifled guns for a long while just to be able to shoot HESH but they also had APFSDS with those guns.

 

I think the Obj 277’s APCR shells on test server were basically APFSDS rounds, considering the ridiculous velocity and pen. It never got to the game, though (thank god). Other than that, I don’t know if the game has any APCR shells that were IRL APFSDS shells; pretty sure the APCR on L7 guns in-game is based on weaker, earlier APDS shells (altho which historically still had more pen). The STRV 103s might have APFSDS shells, but I don’t know if those were ever supplied with APFSDS, so they might be just APDS shells.

 

I’m pretty sure there is a plenty of HEAT shells that are based on HEATFS in-game, though, such as RU-251/Kanonen 90 HEAT and 105mm L7 HEAT (both of them are significantly nerfed, though; RU 251 had 400mm pen on those rounds IIRC). Key feature of those is the exceptionally high velocity compared to basic HEAT (still way lower than the APFSDS shells, though); which is seen in-game as well - in fact, the HEAT shells are faster than RU 251’s standard APCR shells, which is pretty hilarious.

 

EDIT: Also why was this thread necroed again

 

Are you sure about this? Fin stabilizatio is needed in smoothbore because the shell lack the spin stabilization.

Using fin stabilization on a rifles gun you're basically increase the airdynamic drag and wasting the chemical energy used to start the rotation because fin will slow it down due to velocity composition. 

So or UK used APFSDS because NATO had it (you use what you got) or the shell were APDS.

Different is the HEATFS case. Cause HEAT works bad with rotation so, if you have a rifled gun, using fins to slow down rotaion is indeed useful.

 

About the necroing, don't really get why people add a totally random reply to 6 month old thread like this one...






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