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Re-balance of the STB-1 ?

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Bert_da_Derp #1 Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:55 AM

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Am I the only one who thinks the japanese tier 10 medium is lost in time? It has the same cannon as the Patton, paper armor against standard shells, somewhat decent mobility and good gundepression. Anyone know where can this tank be used in team games? ONly the Leopard and the 30B but even they have better gun handling.

 

What would You guys buff/nerf the tank with?

 

I would give it a way better rate of fire (maybe an autoloader with 3 shells like the Chi-Ri), slightly better armor (like +20mm on hull and +5 on the turret or something) and to compensate the weight a way better engine so it can be a real hill-fighter like it's gun depression would sugest.



SuperOlsson #2 Posted 05 April 2018 - 06:14 AM

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I find it kinda fun to play even though it has the gun handling of a tier 8 medium with 240 alpha, so if anything i would buff gun handling, but you know, then it would just be another centurion or amx 30, so some tanks have to have a different playstyle (be shittier at something) so i don't think anything is going to happen with it anytime soon.

The_Destroyer_526 #3 Posted 05 April 2018 - 06:17 AM

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Just make gun handling as good as m48

Nishi_Kinuyo #4 Posted 05 April 2018 - 06:45 AM

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Kek... autoloader he says.

For a turret as flat as a pancake.



SuperOlsson #5 Posted 05 April 2018 - 06:48 AM

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Btw, I bet 1000 gold on that a few Russian meds will be buffed before the STB-1 is.

Simeon85 #6 Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:47 AM

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There has been talk of it getting suspension like the Strvs as it had something similar IRL and IIRC the gun depression was like -12 with the suspension and -6 normally.

 

So you could have a situation where they give it siege mode that buffs the DPM, accuracy and gun handling. 



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Only thing they need to do is fix the dispersion on moving and rotating the hull. Also, since the DPM is the same as Russian mediums nowadays, give it Russian medium gun handling as well (140/907/T62A)

 

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OreH75 #8 Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:57 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 05 April 2018 - 09:47 AM, said:

So you could have a situation where they give it siege mode that buffs the DPM, accuracy and gun handling. 

 

They should give arty siege mode first with current stats and nerf accuracy/dispersion by 50% when not in siege mode..

Edited by OreH75, 05 April 2018 - 09:58 AM.


IncandescentGerbil #9 Posted 05 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

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It's all edited. The general idea is that Russian tier x must be best, with a few carrots thrown at other nations on a cyclical basis. Stb will get buffed at some point, and for a while will be great again. But only a while. Never forget this game is founded in the legacy of communist ideology. These people genuinely think Russia is best and the game will always reflect it.

Dava_117 #10 Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:08 AM

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View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 05 April 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

It's all edited. The general idea is that Russian tier x must be best, with a few carrots thrown at other nations on a cyclical basis. Stb will get buffed at some point, and for a while will be great again. But only a while. Never forget this game is founded in the legacy of communist ideology. These people genuinely think Russia is best and the game will always reflect it.

 

Then all the tanks would have the same chance to win, bringing real balance to game. You're confusing catering to the biggest chunks of player with communism. ;)

 

On topic, giving to STB-1 the siege mode mechanics would indeed make this tank unic. Afterall the whole line is made by support tanks, so it would still fit the line! :)



IncandescentGerbil #11 Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:13 AM

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View PostDava_117, on 05 April 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

Then all the tanks would have the same chance to win, bringing real balance to game. You're confusing catering to the biggest chunks of player with communism. ;)

 

On topic, giving to STB-1 the siege mode mechanics would indeed make this tank unic. Afterall the whole line is made by support tanks, so it would still fit the line! :)

No comradeski. All Russian things are equally brilliant. Capitalist western tanks with their superior ergonomics and ballistic systems are beyond the pale.



The_Georgian_One #12 Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:52 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 05 April 2018 - 09:47 AM, said:

There has been talk of it getting suspension like the Strvs as it had something similar IRL and IIRC the gun depression was like -12 with the suspension and -6 normally.

 

So you could have a situation where they give it siege mode that buffs the DPM, accuracy and gun handling.

 

Although I get this would make the tank unique, I find it difficult to comprehend how this would be a buff?

 

STB lacks the accuracy, pen, autobounce angles and the stealth of STRVs, so how this should work for a med?

 

You can't snipe cause of low pen. So you have to fight mid - range (hull down obviously). This means you are constantly spotted. Tier 8s still pen your turret, even more so, cause you can't be moving frantically all the time, due to the siege mode. Arty still sh!ts on you, but again, it's even easier for them, thanks to the siege mode. So where's the benefit? 2 more degrees of gun depression? You can hardly find positions where this would make a difference. Better gun handling? At the cost of being less mobile and hence easier target. More DPM (as STRVs in siege mode)? I highly doubt they'd buff this.

 

Unless STB's siege mode is different from the Swedes, I don't see how this can benefit the tank.


Edited by The_Georgian_One, 05 April 2018 - 11:53 AM.


Somnorila #13 Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:55 AM

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I'd say it's ok, good enough. There are other imbalances in the game that are more urgent than this one.

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Its utter trash and should be deleted altogether,

 

This tank is simply awful and no fun to play when pitted against the current "balanced" tanks...

 

 



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View PostDava_117, on 05 April 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

 

Then all the tanks would have the same chance to win, bringing real balance to game. You're confusing catering to the biggest chunks of player with communism. ;)

 

 

 

Also, catering to the biggest chunk is known as democracy as well ;)

Azazel_and_chill #16 Posted 05 April 2018 - 02:06 PM

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Nobody plays this tank anymore. Why would WG pay attention to it ?

CraftyVeteran #17 Posted 05 April 2018 - 02:13 PM

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its not Russian, therefore, no soup for you.

soul3ater #18 Posted 05 April 2018 - 02:17 PM

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It's sad to see the best looking medium tank in the game in this crap state. buffing gun handling should be the first thing, so frustrating to play this tank tbh which is why I haven't touched it in ages.

Tr0gledyte #19 Posted 05 April 2018 - 02:22 PM

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Fix the Leopard first please. I'm fine with it being paper but it should get better gun handling and DPM to compensate. Anything.

leggasiini #20 Posted 05 April 2018 - 03:24 PM

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Well... wait a day or two, and I'm gonna write up something something a proposal that is kinda related to this subject :hiding:

 

View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 05 April 2018 - 07:45 AM, said:

Kek... autoloader he says.

For a turret as flat as a pancake.

 

The STB-1 actually had an autoloader IRL, though it was solely just an loading assistance system, not a magazine-type al

 

Then again TVP has autoloader and the Italian Leopard with autoloader (OTO Centauro) was a thing as well so I dont think it would be that impossible for the STB-1 to fit a magazine-type autoloader. But that's not what it needs.







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