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Should WG buff M103 / T110E5

  1. Yes (113 votes [54.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.85%

  2. Just M103 (25 votes [12.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.14%

  3. Just T11035 (39 votes [18.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.93%

  4. No (29 votes [14.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.08%

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Ricky_Rolls #41 Posted 23 April 2018 - 12:07 PM

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They should just flatten the cupola of the e5, like they did with the m48.

NzK_01 #42 Posted 07 October 2018 - 10:20 AM

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Yeah, just finished a game and and 5 out of 6 shots fired by Tier X Italian auto loader tank penetrated my cupola ( with standard rounds- that 268 pen). Managed to hide my lower plate. Not cool man. So it's not a tier X heavy anymore in which you can use your armor effective in a 1 vs 1 battle.... it's now a slow medium tank again winch I will now  use at medium to long range. Thank you WG.

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 06 April 2018 - 10:33 PM, said:

T110E5 got overbuffed, and then had a slight revision nerf. It's a decent tank and does not need anything. Might not be the best tier X, but it is by no means the worst.

 

M103 probably could do with some more armour on the turret cheeks and the turret top. It is supposed to be decent at hull down, but the armour has too many weaknesses and that makes it unreliable at what should be it's strongest niche. The M103 has been rather eclipsed in tier IX when the Conqueror got it's buffs.

 

M103 dont need more armor buff on turret front. He have one of best turret front if we dont look on cupola and roof(i forgot about that armor over mantlet, that they might buff). Roof armor wouldnt be problem if overmatch idiotic mechanic was removed. 

 

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Conqueror need to lose 3 degree of gun dep. Conq is tank that powercreeped M103. E75 is different tank. 

 

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M103 needs it's roof overmatch changed, it's already got the cupola, you don't need people missing that then just overmatching the roof.  It also needs it's forehead being made stronger, currently just above the gun mantlet flat on is like 190 effective, that should never get penned just make that thicker so it's much higher effective armour then the M103 will be able to hull down much better.

 

At the moment people aim for the cupola, often miss but still get pens because they overmatch the roof or they pen the forehead. 

 

I then also make it able to go 40kph, with like 15kph backwards, that would differentiate it compared to the Conqueror and would make it more like a US Heavium.

 

No to removing overmatch from M103 bu leave it on other tanks. Overmatch need core rework or remove from game. Why M103 roof cant be pennable but Vk auf A can be ? Make 0 sense that logic. 

And now Simeon85 aka Taj77 write new history. Americans made M103 as HEAVY tank, Simeon call him heavium, made up crapname from deeps off a**. 


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DeadLecter #44 Posted 07 October 2018 - 01:30 PM

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Are they Russian?

No, Motion denied



ares354 #45 Posted 07 October 2018 - 02:25 PM

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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 October 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Are they Russian?

No, Motion denied

 

SQ or Tortie are Russian ? or T95. But those tanks are OP, Tortie and T95 for sure. 

DeadLecter #46 Posted 07 October 2018 - 03:14 PM

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View Postares354, on 07 October 2018 - 04:55 PM, said:

 

SQ or Tortie are Russian ? or T95. But those tanks are OP, Tortie and T95 for sure. 

 

SQ easily gets shot in the turret via HEAT. Its strong not OP. But tortie or T95? Those tanks are decent at best.  Ive never had a problem shooting a T95 or turtle from front in close range

fighting_falcon93 #47 Posted 07 October 2018 - 05:10 PM

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Yes, I agree that the T110E5 should be buffed. Just give it the E3 cupola and everything is fixed :great:

 

I actually miss this tank a lot. Was really fun to play with it before they nerfed it because players complained that they couldn't snipe the cupola :facepalm:



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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 October 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

 

SQ easily gets shot in the turret via HEAT. Its strong not OP. But tortie or T95? Those tanks are decent at best.  Ive never had a problem shooting a T95 or turtle from front in close range

 

T95 on overhaul 50WR have 53.38 %, that is more then 3 % and you tell me that this tank is decent at beast. And then I hear from Simeon85 that Mauchen is Op, who have on 50% overhaul wr 51.38. That is great logic here PEOPLE. Tortoise have over 3 more WR then overhaul on 50%. Yea, decent tanks!!! Decent tank is that one who get over 3 more WR then average. !!!!

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View Postares354, on 07 October 2018 - 07:48 PM, said:

 

T95 on overhaul 50WR have 53.38 %, that is more then 3 % and you tell me that this tank is decent at beast. And then I hear from Simeon85 that Mauchen is Op, who have on 50% overhaul wr 51.38. That is great logic here PEOPLE. Tortoise have over 3 more WR then overhaul on 50%. Yea, decent tanks!!! Decent tank is that one who get over 3 more WR then average. !!!!

Your problem is you're talking based on numbers. Any player in WoT who has bothered to study the armor of these tanks knows neither T95 nor Tortoise are nowhere near OP.

Saying they are based on a bunch of number is like saying Leopard 1 is the most accurate Med in the game. It doesnt work that way. Both T95 and turtle are extremely situational tank and most people know better than to fight them head on. Being slow means arty is gonna be your best friend. Now S.Conq is different story. It's a nice tanks but it has one real problem. It takes a lot of dmg from HE shells so tanks like Type 5 can easily hit it in the turret for 500+. Turret ring is also easy to hit in close range. These numbers don't mean a damn thing since almost all T9 TDs are very close to each other in avg stats. If a tank has 1.7k avg dmg and an other has 1.6k that doesn't mean one is very stronger than the other. same goes for winrate. 53% vs 50% means if you were to play 100 games in each vehicle you would win 3 more battles in one of them than the other.  What makes a difference is can they affect a battle? No they cant. I cant even remember the last time a Tortoise or T95 really changed the course of a battle. Decent dmg dealers but not very good tanks in general. Since there are very few maps that they can be used to their full potential


Edited by DeadLecter, 07 October 2018 - 06:02 PM.


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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 October 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

Your problem is you're talking based on numbers. Any player in WoT who has bothered to study the armor of these tanks knows neither T95 nor Tortoise are nowhere near OP.

Saying they are based on a bunch of number is like saying Leopard 1 is the most accurate Med in the game. It doesnt work that way. Both T95 and turtle are extremely situational tank and most people know better than to fight them head on. Being slow means arty is gonna be your best friend. Now S.Conq is different story. It's a nice tanks but it has one real problem. It takes a lot of dmg from HE shells so tanks like Type 5 can easily hit it in the turret for 500+. Turret ring is also easy to hit in close range. These numbers don't mean a damn thing since almost all T9 TDs are very close to each other in avg stats. If a tank has 1.7k avg dmg and an other has 1.6k that doesn't mean one is very stronger than the other. same goes for winrate. 53% vs 50% means if you were to play 100 games in each vehicle you would win 3 more battles in one of them than the other.  What makes a difference is can they affect a battle? No they cant. I cant even remember the last time a Tortoise or T95 really changed the course of a battle. Decent dmg dealers but not very good tanks in general. Since there are very few maps that they can be used to their full potential

 

I based this on numbers? I have Tortoise ? Do you ? 

I have Tortoise and I have way higher dmg done per game in him then many other tier IX TD. And I played I lot more TD then you. You speak about TD you dont own. 

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View Postares354, on 07 October 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

 

I based this on numbers? I have Tortoise ? Do you ? 

I have Tortoise and I have way higher dmg done per game in him then many other tier IX TD. And I played I lot more TD then you. You speak about TD you dont own. 

 

You don't need to have a tank to know how it is. You also learn about it by fighting against it. And don't mix yourself with other players. I also have decent and similar stats in Grille 15(Avg 2.8k) and Strv 103b(Avg 2.9k).  but I never say Grille is as good as 103b. I'm also good in some tanks that the entire community considers garbage then again it doesnt mean they are good tanks. Do you know the best way to know a tank is good or bad? How often do you see them in pubs? On most days I never see a single Tortoise, Badger or turretless british TD in general. Cause the entire line is bad(Excpet for badger which is deent), has horrible grind and extremely situational.

 



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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 October 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

You don't need to have a tank to know how it is. You also learn about it by fighting against it. And don't mix yourself with other players. I also have decent and similar stats in Grille 15(Avg 2.8k) and Strv 103b(Avg 2.9k).  but I never say Grille is as good as 103b. I'm also good in some tanks that the entire community considers garbage then again it doesnt mean they are good tanks. Do you know the best way to know a tank is good or bad? How often do you see them in pubs? On most days I never see a single Tortoise, Badger or turretless british TD in general. Cause the entire line is bad(Excpet for badger which is deent), has horrible grind and extremely situational.

 

 

No they are not. I see KT quite often and tank is crap. ST 1 is very powerfull tank, I dont see a lot of them either. Some are popular some arent. 

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View Postares354, on 07 October 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

 

No they are not. I see KT quite often and tank is crap. ST 1 is very powerfull tank, I dont see a lot of them either. Some are popular some arent. 

 

Well why are they popular? Because they have good looks and have sexy names? Because at one point they were at least good tanks and lots of people grinded them. Tortoise was never good and it isn't now either and the fact that the tanks before it are weak doesn't help. I mean take a look at the tank. Horrible mobility, Armor has weak spots and lots of flat parts. The gun has low pen. all it has going for it is the DPM which doesn't matter because 258 for a T9 TD is horrible. and as for STI and KT,  KT line is generally decent but STI line is all bad except for STI and it would be crazy to play a line just for 1 tier 9 tank. I think we should stop this discussion because it's not going anywhere. You have your reasons and I have mine and I don't think either one of us is gonna change his opinion 

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View PostDeadLecter, on 07 October 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

 

Well why are they popular? Because they have good looks and have sexy names? Because at one point they were at least good tanks and lots of people grinded them. Tortoise was never good and it isn't now either and the fact that the tanks before it are weak doesn't help. I mean take a look at the tank. Horrible mobility, Armor has weak spots and lots of flat parts. The gun has low pen. all it has going for it is the DPM which doesn't matter because 258 for a T9 TD is horrible. and as for STI and KT,  KT line is generally decent but STI line is all bad except for STI and it would be crazy to play a line just for 1 tier 9 tank. I think we should stop this discussion because it's not going anywhere. You have your reasons and I have mine and I don't think either one of us is gonna change his opinion 

 

KT was good in 2012 or 2013. 5 year ago. Tortoise is beast now. Tortie now has one weakspot for normal, non premium ammo from front. That a lot ? Dont be silly. 259 AP pen is more then enough with his acc. KT line is joke. 

I play those TD you dont. You base your reasons on players you meet. I based it on both factors. That is reason why you are wrong. 

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View PostJocMeister, on 07 April 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

 

Which doesnt mean the M103 needs a buff. The Conq is OPed as [edited]so comparing them are pointless.

 

A tank that's not fast, has no alpha, has gigantic weakspots you can pen on a trackpad, has meh gun handling doesn't need a buff. Please tell me which t9 heavy is worse than m103? Also regular Conqueror, not super conqueror is just good, not op.

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View Postares354, on 07 October 2018 - 11:30 AM, said:

 

M103 dont need more armor buff on turret front. He have one of best turret front if we dont look on cupola and roof(i forgot about that armor over mantlet, that they might buff). Roof armor wouldnt be problem if overmatch idiotic mechanic was removed. 

 

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Conqueror need to lose 3 degree of gun dep. Conq is tank that powercreeped M103. E75 is different tank. 

 

 

No to removing overmatch from M103 bu leave it on other tanks. Overmatch need core rework or remove from game. Why M103 roof cant be pennable but Vk auf A can be ? Make 0 sense that logic. 

And now Simeon85 aka Taj77 write new history. Americans made M103 as HEAVY tank, Simeon call him heavium, made up crapname from deeps off a**. 

 

 Seriously you need like 5deg to the side of m103 and you can pen the part of the turret next to the mantlet. Also VK Auf A is faster. Also m103 has a bigger roof weakspot. Also overmatch rework by wg? LOL bounce all of your clips of udes. 

Edited by baribal_80, 08 October 2018 - 09:29 AM.


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People want the e5 cupola so only heat shells go through? That is some nice balance right there.

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 08 October 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

People want the e5 cupola so only heat shells go through? That is some nice balance right there.

 

Personally I think the armor model of the cupola should be changed to better represent the shape of the small turret. I.e only the small strip below the machine gun should be a weakspot. or sumin like that. MAKE IT SMALLER.

https://tanks.gg/tank/t110e5/model


Edited by CenturionA1, 08 October 2018 - 12:50 PM.


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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 08 October 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

People want the e5 cupola so only heat shells go through? That is some nice balance right there.

 

No, not really. SC doesn't have any cupola, yet its gun handling and gun depression is better. IS-7 doesn't have any cupola. Obj.277 doesn't have any cupola. Kranvagn doesn't have any cupola. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they should get one, but I don't understand why E5 is forced to have a weakpoint on top of its turret when it's no longer the fastest heavy, neither the heavy with best gunhandling, neither the heavy with the best gun depression. That cupola makes this tank completely useless and outdated.

 

Oh and btw. I don't want only HEAT shells to go through the E5 cupola. They shouldn't go through either. No more additional weakspots for premium ammo players.


Edited by fighting_falcon93, 08 October 2018 - 01:58 PM.


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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 08 October 2018 - 01:56 PM, said:

 

Oh and btw. I don't want only HEAT shells to go through the E5 cupola. They shouldn't go through either. No more additional weakspots for premium ammo players.

Utopian, but i agree. 

 

All other tanks mentioned barely have turret weakspots, really poor game design and partially the reason why tanks like stb1 or leo1 are so poor. 


Edited by fwhaatpiraat, 08 October 2018 - 02:47 PM.






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