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T34 need a buff?

  1. YES, it need a buff to be competitive (78 votes [73.58%])

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  2. NO, he is good now (28 votes [26.42%])

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Aditsa20 #1 Posted 07 April 2018 - 09:25 AM

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Hey guys, in this topic we will talk about the good old T34, an american heavy premium tank. In todays gameplay we can all say that the T34 is not a good tank anymore,do to all this new super premium tanks. Let's compare it with Patriot:

-T34 dpm is 1600 and Patriot is 2000, WOW, and we should know that the play style is allmost the same, you find a good turret position and then you use your turret armor, but when you have such a bad reload time you will die very quickly. But we should know that T34 turret can be overmatch by any 120mm gun and those new premium tanks like Skorpion, Strv S1, Defender and even smaller guns can penetrate your turret frontaly, like Somua, Loor 40 t, Liberte etc. In the other side, the Patriot turret is much smaller and it can't be overmatchable, it has a weekspot but it has 200-250 mm of armor in comparation with a maximum value of 100 on the T34 turret. So we can easly say that Patriot is MUCH BETTER when it comes the turret armor.

-The mobility of Patriot is much better than the T34 40km/h vs 35km/h with a poor pwr

-The gun is the only good thing for T34, 400 alfa with 248 pen but there are many premium thanks with better pen.

-Aim time, it just take a long time to aim for a weekspot and event to hit him

-The front armor is a joke...it has 130mm of effective armor, even tier 6 can pen you, in the other hand Patriot has 200-220 mm of armor, really? Is that correct? You can't sidescreep, with 76 of side armor is not a good idea..

-View range is the same...old one, 380 on T34 vs 390 on Patriot.

 

Is not all about T34 vs Patriot, you can compare it with any other prem tank and you can see that T34 is forgot in time, it doesn't have the same value like few years ago,when this tank was really in his power. Now with this new premium tanks that have over 230 mm  of pen and even 290, 248 that T34 have is not a good thing anymore. The play style of this game changed, many tanks with big alfa or auto-loaders that can finish you before you can reload another shoot. So I ask you, do you think that T34 need a buff? I think YES!

T34 is a very old tanks that many players have and not so much still play it, so I think she need a revival

 

Sorry for my english, and I hope that we can make T34 a good tank like it was a good time ago:) 


Edited by Aditsa20, 07 April 2018 - 09:26 AM.


Dava_117 #2 Posted 07 April 2018 - 09:51 AM

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The gun is the best in class. 2nd higher alpha, 1st in penetration. You obviously can't compare it to TD gun (as skorpion g or s1), but need to compare with HTs. 

May be a small buf on dpm, but everything else is fine.



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View PostDava_117, on 07 April 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

The gun is the best in class. 2nd higher alpha, 1st in penetration. You obviously can't compare it to TD gun (as skorpion g or s1), but need to compare with HTs. 

May be a small buf on dpm, but everything else is fine.

 

The alpha is unspectacular (400 vs the 390 of stronk russia/china) and while the Pen is indeed decent the gunhandling is grabage. For every hit you get more (with standard ammo) you'll loose 3 that a better tank would have gotten by higher DPM or acctually hitting (a place where it pens).

 

The T34 works fine for credit-farming same as crew training - but i wouldn't call it good or fun to play.



IncandescentGerbil #4 Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:16 AM

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Quite enjoyed it when I was given it free for a week about six months back. Unless you are a very good player, DPM is perhaps the most overrated stat of all. Save for end of game cleanup operations, I am hardly ever firing all the time. High pen and decent alpha are far more useful for most.

Edited by IncandescentGerbil, 07 April 2018 - 10:18 AM.


Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:32 AM

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I miss the option

- Nerf all broken tanks to levels where most of the tanks have a chance instead of an endless buffing cycle.

Dava_117 #6 Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:51 AM

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View PostQuintuss, on 07 April 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

 

The alpha is unspectacular (400 vs the 390 of stronk russia/china) and while the Pen is indeed decent the gunhandling is grabage. For every hit you get more (with standard ammo) you'll loose 3 that a better tank would have gotten by higher DPM or acctually hitting (a place where it pens).

 

The T34 works fine for credit-farming same as crew training - but i wouldn't call it good or fun to play.

 

The only similar gun can be considered is indeed the soviet BL-9. All the othe 122 at that tier are garbage that require gold to have a small chance to pen something...

And even against BL-9 your gun has good advantage:

DPM: 1834 (IS-3) vs 1668 (T34)

Alpha: 390 vs 400

Pen: 225 vs 248

Dispersion: 0.38 vs 0.34

Aim time: 3.26 vs 3.07

Depression: -5 vs -10

Also T34 turret is stronger than IS-3 both in nominal thickness and in overmatchable zone (T-34 require >120mm while IS-3 require >60mm).

Sure IS-3 have better mobility, but that's because it has the heavyum role, while T-34 is closer to standard HT role.

 

Edit: typos


Edited by Dava_117, 07 April 2018 - 11:29 AM.


Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #7 Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:54 AM

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Was it ever good??? I can't seem to remember... :unsure:

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T34 has the highest penetration gun.You just need to play it hull down and make every shot count.You can't play this tank as a NOOB (I don't call you one), because you will make fewer credits due to a high cost of shells and I think this is the only tank that doesn't require premium ammunition. 248 penetration is more than enough to pen every tier 10 vehicle.

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Lowe is new hull down tactic user.

As for t34 it do gets 248mm of pen but hull armor is poor.Turret roof armor can easily get pen by other tanks.Aim time is horrible.Accuracy is horrible.Mobility is horrible.Dpm is horrible.For only 248 pen u sacrifice a lot.

 

View PostNewForces2142, on 07 April 2018 - 11:01 AM, said:

T34 has the highest penetration gun.You just need to play it hull down and make every shot count.You can't play this tank as a NOOB (I don't call you one), because you will make fewer credits due to a high cost of shells and I think this is the only tank that doesn't require premium ammunition. 248 penetration is more than enough to pen every tier 10 vehicle.

Exactly 248 pen is enought to pen Obj 268 V4,Type 5,Maus,is7,obj430u.

I wonder why people shoot gold against those tanks.Your post admits that we all are idiots firing gold ammo against those tanks.


 

Edited by NickMustaine, 23 April 2018 - 11:08 AM.


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View PostNewForces2142, on 07 April 2018 - 11:01 AM, said:

T34 has the highest penetration gun.You just need to play it hull down and make every shot count.You can't play this tank as a NOOB (I don't call you one), because you will make fewer credits due to a high cost of shells and I think this is the only tank that doesn't require premium ammunition. 248 penetration is more than enough to pen every tier 10 vehicle.

 

thinks about lowe, had a smaller turet, bigger dpm and decent armor, imagine you in a hull down position, on a hill and a somua or a conqueror or any good tank that have good gun dipresion or auto loader, you put one shoot into him and then he puts 3 or 4 in you, and if you dont know the top of the turret of the t34 is easy pen by any tier 8 and higer
 

View PostNewForces2142, on 07 April 2018 - 11:01 AM, said:

T34 has the highest penetration gun.You just need to play it hull down and make every shot count.You can't play this tank as a NOOB (I don't call you one), because you will make fewer credits due to a high cost of shells and I think this is the only tank that doesn't require premium ammunition. 248 penetration is more than enough to pen every tier 10 vehicle.

 

defender, 274u, somua, mauebrecher and other tanks has 440 alfa or an autoloader. and those russian tanks has a reeeealy good armor so how you compete with them?

 

 

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 07 April 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

Exactly 248 pen is enought to pen Obj 268 V4,Type 5,Maus,is7,obj430u.

I wonder why people shoot gold against those tanks.Your post admits that we all are idiots firing gold ammo against those tanks.

 

how can you pen v4 type or is7? your turet is EASYYY pen by any of these they have big guns and overmatch your turret..and you cant even shout them 3 times cuse you are dead

 


 

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I think the T34 is horrible these days. I sold it after just 10 games. It's gotten way behind the powercreep.

 

In essence, it was good before, but the devs have made things so imbalanced that I find no reason to play it over the Skorpion.



NoobySkooby #12 Posted 07 April 2018 - 01:13 PM

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Well I do like mine, also like the Lowe, bigger and slower thats what I like, the faster tanks take me away on flights of fancies, usually end in bad situations because of the speed, slow is better, much better, that said I do like to trundle around and occasionally hit things:popcorn:

 

Both the Lowe and the T34 have a good guns, and when I was considering getting the Lowe, I was told the T34 is better, not sure of that personally as I am a mere average joe, not a unicom.



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View PostAditsa20, on 07 April 2018 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

how can you pen v4 type or is7? your turet is EASYYY pen by any of these they have big guns and overmatch your turret..and you cant even shout them 3 times cuse you are dead

 

I know that dont u see irony in my post.Beacuse the way he write 248 pen is enough to pen tier 10 is laughable.



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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 07 April 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

Turret roof armor can easily get pen by other tanks.

 

Turret roof is 38mm of armour, so over-matched by guns of 115mm calibre or more but not by anything less so it's a bit misleading to claim it's an easy pen. I think the T34 is still a good tank but I'm one of those weirdos who enjoys playing odd tanks. Yeah, the hull armour is pants on toast but get it hull-down in a spot where you can use the gun depression and it's incredibly strong. Good crew trainer too because the 6-man crew can be retrained for the T30 (which the ones currently in mine will be when I get there) and it covers all the positions in the other US heavies.



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View PostAditsa20, on 07 April 2018 - 09:25 AM, said:

-The front armor is a joke...it has 130mm of effective armor, even tier 6 can pen you, in the other hand Patriot has 200-220 mm of armor, really? Is that correct? You can't sidescreep, with 76 of side armor is not a good idea..

 

T34 was a normal tank at some point. As then the line was T29, T32, T34, T30. All followed the same idea. Terrible in the open due to the hull armor. Great as hull down support. But then the T30 became a tier 9 TD, and the T34 a tier 8 premium. But back then it worked as a tier 8 premium. As the meta was different. Patriot came following a different meta years later. And if that had a weak hull and 1600 dpm. I suspect no one would buy it vs the two premiums HT that came around the same time "Defender and AMX". Or even over the T34.  But T26E5 was built as a prototype based on the experience they had with the M4A3E2. So the hull armor was more then the T34 either way.

 

But if anything the T34 needs a ROF buff. Even 1900 would be fine. Turret works most times, but mostly as top tier. As there are more guns with 275mm pen on tier 9+ vs when it was new. Traverse is terrible to. So if they did up the dpm and traverse. It would be workable again as a start. I'm not expecting them to buff the armor, as then it would be to strong as top tier. But removing the MG port weakspot is not asking to much to make the hull more durable at some angles. As that MG port makes any attempt to angle the hull if you are in the open 100% a waste of time.

 

 



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The T34 was balanced very poorly even back when it was dropped down from tier 9 to tier 8 and received premium status (with the introduction of the M103 and T110E5 respectively). The balance changes it received in patch 9.17 were good, but still don't make the tank competitive. The main problem is that it still sacrifices too much to have that high base penetration, which really isn't justified. I.e. having abysmal soft stats concerning the gun alone make the already bad dpm even worse in practise.

 

What it needs is:

 

  1. The terrain resistances should be decreased significantly to improve overall agility across the battlefield. I'd say a decrease from 1.4/1.7/3.4 to 1.2/1.6/2.7 on hard/medium/soft respectively.
  2. Its gun bloom (dispersion values) may be decreased even further, to something like 0.23/0.23/0.14 as opposed to the current 0.28/0.28/0.22 during movement, traverse and turret traverse respectively. 
  3. The turret traverse speed should be increased from an abysmal 18 deg/s to like 22 deg/s.

 

Such changes would make the vehicle vastly more comfortable to use, and increase its flexibility without making it oppressive.



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I think T34 is a very good tank, it works as intended but its problem is that actual MM forces it to see Tier 10 almost every game.

 

It applies to Lowe too. Those tanks were very good in the old MM.

 

Of course, the play style can be adapted if it faces Tier 10 but it also becomes boring.



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View PostStrappster, on 07 April 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 07 April 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

Turret roof armor can easily get pen by other tanks.

 

Turret roof is 38mm of armour, so over-matched by guns of 115mm calibre or more but not by anything less so it's a bit misleading to claim it's an easy pen. I think the T34 is still a good tank but I'm one of those weirdos who enjoys playing odd tanks. Yeah, the hull armour is pants on toast but get it hull-down in a spot where you can use the gun depression and it's incredibly strong. Good crew trainer too because the 6-man crew can be retrained for the T30 (which the ones currently in mine will be when I get there) and it covers all the positions in the other US heavies.

Here's your hull down 

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 07 April 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

Here's your hull down 

 

That's the turret cheek, not the roof. The roof is the bit on top that's green.

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View PostStrappster, on 07 April 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

 

That's the turret cheek, not the roof. The roof is the bit on top that's green.

In hull down u can receive shots in cheek.


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