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NOOB_TRAKTOR #1 Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:01 AM

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Somua SM is maybe the worst heavy tank ever. It gets in tier 10 battles almost all the time. The problem with this tank is it can't pen almost anything, even mediums in tier 8 battles and with premium ammo. APCR is 262 penetration - on paper. I reality, it's useless. This tank really needs buff on penetration values. And some better matchmaking. In tier 9 and 10 battles this tank is literally useless: it is slow, with bad armor and worthless penetration. It can pen something in tier 8, but just maybe light tanks and others from the flank if you are lucky.

Edited by NOOB_TRAKTOR, 08 April 2018 - 01:04 AM.


LordMuffin #2 Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:06 AM

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View PostNOOB_TRAKTOR, on 08 April 2018 - 01:01 AM, said:

Somua SM is maybe the worst heavy tank ever. It gets in tier 10 battles almost all the time. The problem with this tank is it can't pen almost anything, even mediums in tier 8 battles and with premium ammo. APCR is 262 penetration - on paper. I reality, it's useless. This tank really needs buff on penetration values. And some better matchmaking. In tier 9 and 10 battles this tank is literally useless: it is slow, with bad armor and worthless penetration. It can pen something in tier 8, but just maybe light tanks and others from the flank if you are lucky.

It is a decent T8 tank. Not good, not bad. Pen is enough for most tanks it meet aswell.

 

Turret armour is weak, indeed, so the tank is a support tank, and pretty good at that.



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Buying any T8 at the moment is a huge risk, given how terrible the match-making is for anything other than T9/10. 

NOOB_TRAKTOR #4 Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:11 AM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 08 April 2018 - 01:06 AM, said:

Pen is enough for most tanks it meet aswell.

 

I don't know what are you talking about. This tank in tier 9 and tier 10 battles can't pen anyting and I am using premium rounds. At least not heavies and majority of meds, maybe from the side or rear. Useless tank. Turret armour is not so bad, it can bounce a few shots, hull armour is no-existing.



Temid23 #5 Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:20 AM

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Are you for real? That's why 90% Somua i meet spam full gold even if they are on top tier? :confused:

232 Ap penetration on a bloody premium tank is realllllllllllllllllly not enough???????? :ohmy:

Are you really entitled to pen tanks with autoaim from the front???? :sceptic:

And the best: You seriously have a problem with penning tier 8 medium tanks even with 262 pen ??!111111oneoneone :facepalm:

 

THIS IS WHY THIS GAME IS SLOWLY GOING IN TO THE SHITTER...

Jesus F Christ this guy is average WOT player :amazed:



Strappster #6 Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:22 AM

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View PostTemid23, on 08 April 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

Jesus F Christ this guy is average WOT player :amazed:

 

If it's any consolation, the rest of them haven't found the forum yet.



Balc0ra #7 Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:24 AM

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Same gun as on the 50 100, tho a smaller clip. Don't own the SM. But the 50 100's gun still works.. even in +2. Tho the 50 100 is a bit more mobile, so it can easily track and bully sides, and then you run. As I don't seek out targets head on with it. It's a support HT, not a brawling HT. And if you play the support role. Then don't always go for targets you can't pen.. as there is always an "easy farm" next to it. 

 

Then again considering your damage pr battle in it is higher then most of your tier 8's. On pair with the T34 that has the highest tier 8 HT pen. You seem to make it "work".


Edited by Balc0ra, 08 April 2018 - 01:27 AM.


Warzey #8 Posted 08 April 2018 - 02:25 AM

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View PostNOOB_TRAKTOR, on 08 April 2018 - 12:11 AM, said:

 

I don't know what are you talking about. This tank in tier 9 and tier 10 battles can't pen anyting and I am using premium rounds. At least not heavies and majority of meds, maybe from the side or rear. Useless tank. Turret armour is not so bad, it can bounce a few shots, hull armour is no-existing.

 

T10 heavy and medium tanks all have around 250-260 penetration with standard ammo. How do you explain them penetrating each other frontally?

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View PostWarzey, on 08 April 2018 - 01:25 AM, said:

How do you explain them penetrating each other frontally?

 

I say, steady on! I know it's late night on the forum but I don't expect to see such sexy talk here! :ohmy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carry on. :girl:



Omeron_1 #10 Posted 08 April 2018 - 04:53 AM

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View PostStrappster, on 08 April 2018 - 02:53 AM, said:

 

I say, steady on! I know it's late night on the forum but I don't expect to see such sexy talk here! :ohmy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carry on. :girl:

 

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Troubledove #11 Posted 08 April 2018 - 06:49 AM

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View PostWarzey, on 08 April 2018 - 03:25 AM, said:

 

T10 heavy and medium tanks all have around 250-260 penetration with standard ammo. How do you explain them penetrating each other frontally?

 

Well... Often they wont. Superheavies are pretty much immune to AP frontally and many heavies/meds are immune or near immune when hulldown. 

 

So doubletap 2 to gain advantage. Enemy.will prolly do the same if you have armor. 

 

AP is good farming ammo against t8/t9.

 

 

 

View PostWarzey, on 08 April 2018 - 03:25 AM, said:

 

T10 heavy and medium tanks all have around 250-260 penetration with standard ammo. How do you explain them penetrating each other frontally?

 

Well... Often they wont. Superheavies are pretty much immune to AP frontally and many heavies/meds are immune or near immune when hulldown. 

 

So doubletap 2 to gain advantage. Enemy.will prolly do the same if you have armor. 

 

AP is good farming ammo against t8/t9.

 

 


 

Igor_BL #12 Posted 08 April 2018 - 07:30 AM

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Lorr40t has same pen values and i have never used APCR clip on it.

ok. it is faster and more flankish then Somua.,  but still.

 

saying Somua pen is horific only means you really dont know to play or you are trolling.

probably the first one.



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View PostStrappster, on 08 April 2018 - 02:53 AM, said:

 

I say, steady on! I know it's late night on the forum but I don't expect to see such sexy talk here! :ohmy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carry on. :girl:

 

It's a pity that crew didn't last long enough to make a Carry on World of Tanks movie .... ;):harp::girl:

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View PostNOOB_TRAKTOR, on 08 April 2018 - 01:11 AM, said:

 

I don't know what are you talking about. This tank in tier 9 and tier 10 battles can't pen anyting and I am using premium rounds. At least not heavies and majority of meds, maybe from the side or rear. Useless tank. Turret armour is not so bad, it can bounce a few shots, hull armour is no-existing.

It can pen everything frontally except Obj 268 v4, Maus, Type 5, Type 4 pretty much.

And with premium ammo, Type 4 is not an issue.

 

Yes, the turret is weak and hull only works against T6/T7.

 

But the tank is decent.



leggasiini #15 Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:15 AM

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At least the OP is really living up his name

MarianNicolae #16 Posted 08 April 2018 - 09:08 AM

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What ? It has one of the highest standard pen on tier 8 heavys and you struggle with it ? Well, let me tell you it's not the tank.
But I guess what you really want is 330 HEAT on it .. I mean, why shouldn't you be able to get through the frontal turret of a Maus in your tier 8 ?

Radu_Korne #17 Posted 08 April 2018 - 09:16 AM

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I have the Lorr. 40t, only use one clip of premium shells. Rest standard ammo. Mind you, Lorr. can actually move around and flank if needed, mobility makes it better than SM, which is just a support tank. Never had issues with 232 pen vs. tier 10s, because guess what, I rarely fire at them frontally. I pick my fights and calculate when it's ok to flank/take a shot and unload. 

Atloas #18 Posted 08 April 2018 - 09:43 AM

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Man, what are you talking about?

 

The Somua SM has 232 mm of pen, the sixth silver penetration out of all tier VIII heavies. How is this not enough for you?



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View PostNOOB_TRAKTOR, on 08 April 2018 - 01:11 AM, said:

 

I don't know what are you talking about. This tank in tier 9 and tier 10 battles can't pen anyting and I am using premium rounds. At least not heavies and majority of meds, maybe from the side or rear. Useless tank. Turret armour is not so bad, it can bounce a few shots, hull armour is no-existing.

 

What is "anything"? Do you even know how armor works in the game? If you have problems with with penetrating tanks with ammo that has 262 mm of average penetration, then you should play only derp tanks.

FFS even standard pen of 232 is plentiful, and works even in tier 10 games.

 

Seriously, do you know what 262 mm of pen is? That's more than what tier 9 heavies have. Sure, yeah, with 0.4 gun dispersion accuracy is bit on a crappy side, but aiming time is decent and you even get 10 degrees of gun depression.

 

Conclusion: git gud.



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The Somoa has great pen even with standard ammo. Sure you cannot pen everything frontally. (but then again neither can an IS-3 which has similar pen). In the Lorr. i've never had to resort to gold ammo so i don't see the Somoa having massive penetration issues.

 

This is just another case of L2P. especially if you cannot pen anything with 262 mm of penetration with the gold ammo.







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