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skaduck #1 Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:24 PM

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Well I have $hit pissed off three 3 arty in mm. all really hits me of the all time i wanted $ucking arty really remove 2 and 3 arty in mm one arty is fine more less rage, Arty mission and light tank mission WG just change it, That true story my life wanted WG [edited]remove arty, i have T92 HMC i sell it coz it very *edited* tank. WG should remove it. I tired obj 268 v4 3 mark impossible because always 3 arty in every mm all arty ONLY *edited* hit me. i really rage over only arty that very very very very biggest unbalanced arty people are *edited* lazy clicker....


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Balc0ra #2 Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:36 PM

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Just be happy it's not 15 on the enemy team and you have 14 on your team. And your playing Assault in your E100. Like it was back in 2012 when you joined.

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Was gonna respond to another arty-whine thread, then I noticed your name...

Ninja'd.

 

Edit: INB4DALOCK


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Dude....

Desyatnik_Pansy #5 Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:41 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 09 April 2018 - 11:36 PM, said:

Just be happy it's not 15 on the enemy team and you have 14 on your team. And your playing Assault in your E100. Like it was back in 2012 when you joined.

 

To be honest, I wouldn't mind that at all (though I can't speak for the OP). It's the kind of game where, namely due to the rareness I imagine of it, I wouldn't really care about the results.  On the other hand, 3 Arty isn't uncommon. I'd wager of my recent games, 2 Arty on both teams is the most common with 3 Arty a fair bit behind, 1 Arty being only slightly less common and no arty being the rarest (and of course, most enjoyable). While getting a game with 29 Arty in it might have been something that to me would be 1 In 500 Battles or something like that and so in that game, I feel like my lack of care could be somewhat forgiven.

However, when atleast close to half of my games in a session have 3 Arty, I don't have that luxury. If I were to not care about the results, deliberately play poorly due to the presence of the arty in those games, I would be a detriment to my own team which is something you do see from random teammates every now and again. It's something I don't think I could bring myself to do under most situations. Not to mention I would probably take being nuked and immediately out of the game over 15 Minutes of pure frustration as each hit takes away more and more of my health. Suddenly playing deliberately poorly, camping behind buildings or cliffs in useless positions or simply camping so far back that I won't be spotted seems so much more inviting. But then again, I'm sure the arty apologists would just cry "play arty safe!" from their little bubble of safety and chastise me for wanting even a minute's respite from the ceaseless artillery.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 April 2018 - 12:36 AM, said:

Just be happy it's not 15 on the enemy team and you have 14 on your team. And your playing Assault in your E100. Like it was back in 2012 when you joined.

 

So, if the MM is better than 6 years ago, everybody should just stop pointing out that it is still broken? Really? I imagine you'd be great in a research team: "Hey guys, we've managed to make some progress, so let's just stop and fckin' drop the whole thing, mkay?!"

 

#logic



HeidenSieker #7 Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:53 AM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 10 April 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

I'd wager of my recent games, 2 Arty on both teams is the most common with 3 Arty a fair bit behind, 1 Arty being only slightly less common and no arty being the rarest

 

Cor! That's interesting. How are we going to find out what the general case is, I wonder? Some stats. site? A ticket to WG? Delicious possibilities. It would be good to nail this one.

Spurtung #8 Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:55 AM

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View PostDUDE_STOP_CRY_KID

 

 

I'll leave it at that.



_Anarchistic_ #9 Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:56 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 09 April 2018 - 11:36 PM, said:

Just be happy it's not 15 on the enemy team and you have 14 on your team. And your playing Assault in your E100. Like it was back in 2012 when you joined.

 

actually I would be happy with 15v15 arty, none in my games then :teethhappy:

Spurtung #10 Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:59 AM

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 10 April 2018 - 01:56 AM, said:

 

actually I would be happy with 15v15 arty, none in my games then :teethhappy:

 

Did anyone else play the 511 matches with arty for you, or...?

Desyatnik_Pansy #11 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:36 AM

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View PostHeidenSieker, on 10 April 2018 - 12:53 AM, said:

Cor! That's interesting. How are we going to find out what the general case is, I wonder? Some stats. site? A ticket to WG? Delicious possibilities. It would be good to nail this one.

 

It's only a wager or perhaps personal assumption fits better, I didn't imply it was hard facts. Nonetheless, if I look at my recent games I only have the 17 Replays of the games played today in the T29 To go off of immediately.

# Of arty - battles:

1 - 7 

2 - 3

3 - 3

0 - 4

 

As we can immediately see, my assumption for atleast today's battles proves wrong. 1 Arty was the most common while I listed it as 3rd, 0 Arty was the second most common even though I listed it as last and 2 or 3 Arty are tied.

This is of course however, a limited example of 17 Battles, and limited only at Tier VII (of those battles, and I didn't count these when quickly opening each replay to count the arty, none at all today were against Tier Vs, a few met Tier IXs while the majority were VII-VIII Battles) but we can likely assume a similar pattern would appear across a larger number of battles, across different tiers. I'm not going to start counting as I'm not planning on opening Notepad and listing the # of arty in each game for the next 100-200 Battles, nor am I going to maintain all those replays and just jump through them at a later date either.

 

Just a rough note on today's battle in hindsight which I think is interesting. Of the 4 Games with 0 Arty, 3 Of which were particularly good games for me. Of those with 1 Arty, 3 Of them involved me receiving most of the arty fire (one of which, of 17 Shells fired by the enemy artillery, 16 Were aimed at me until my death at his hands) though for the most part, I did atleast average for my performance. Of the 3 Games with 2 Arty, one of them I was pretty much under constant fire from the artillery throughout the match while of the other two, the first I was ignored entirely in one (it was Paris, and the enemy artillery was of course more interested in firing into the field than the "heavy corner" where I was and that was my best game of the session, and the second I received minor damage from artillery.

Of the games with 3 Artillery, all of them were terrible. Even if I actually managed to perform up to my average performance in the tank or in one of them didn't even receive a hit from artillery, none of the games were the least bit enjoyable and in all of them from the start I feel I played more passively than I could have because I feared making any moves that might immediately follow with fire from all three artillery. In one such game, I went from around 1k health to 93hp in less than a minute, losing almost 700hp from the hits of all three arty simultaneously (a GW Panther, M40/M43 and an FV304) and losing more to splash fire while using the only cover I could, a wreck of an O-I, to try to shield myself. This move directly helped me out, as it made the enemy Strv S1 Facing me overconfident and pushing towards me from his safe sniper position and going into siege mode next to me, only to lose most of his health to the flanking fire of an ARL V39 and a Nashorn before I finished him off. However, I wasn't the least bit happy about that at the moment and was actually more annoyed because it was almost immediately followed by the attempts of all three arty to again kill me.

 

In short, I found that of those 17 Games, I performed the best and had the most fun in the games with no arty presence. Unsurprising, given how the T29 Plays, but something I feel reflects across most tanks and I feel many other players can likely agree upon. The single arty games were the worst experiences for me, even though 4 Of 7 Of them I was either not engaged at all by enemy artillery or I was attacked only a small amount, the other 3 Were games where I was the almost sole focus of the enemy artillery and it made those games hell for me, even though I attempted to play at my best in all of those games (I feel it may be unfair to list it as the worst, but the absolute frustration from those 3 Games of focusfire by the sole enemy arty was definitely the worst rage I've felt in recent times playing). The two-arty games were probably the "best" statistically, since 2/3 Of them weren't bad, but I mean that's only 3 Games anyway so who gives a damn, while the three-arty games were the second worst. Two of them I received the unrivalled attention for the most part of all three arty, but atleast it was quick to immediately cripple and almost kill me unlike the single-arty games where I was subject to a slow and methodical death. The third I didn't take even splash from an arty at any point, but nonetheless I played more passively and avoided making plays that if the game had went differently could have been vital to the victory, all because I feared getting hit by artillery. 

To end it off, I'll probably try but not really that intently to sort of document how my battles continue like this over the next few sessions, though I don't feel it'll be much different. I will surrender that my initial statement in the last post was almost certainly wrong, I don't feel that most of my post was wrong. At worst, I think the wrongest part of my last post was actually stating that I would try to avoid playing worse when faced with 3 Artillery, as reviewing today's games I found that I already was playing more reserved solely as a result of the match-up of three artillery, regardless of tiers. I would like to atleast defend myself and say while I played more reserved, I didn't outright play detrimentally to my team such as for example, camping my T29 At the redline to avoid being spotted, but I most certainly avoided plays that might have immediately been followed by the enemy artillery firing at me unless absolutely necessary.

 

View PostSpurtung, on 10 April 2018 - 12:59 AM, said:

Did anyone else play the 511 matches with arty for you, or...?

 

I believe he more meant something along the lines of  "if there were 15 vs 15 Arty matches, most of the arty would be in those games and not mine".



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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 10 April 2018 - 02:36 AM, said:

I believe he more meant something along the lines of  "if there were 15 vs 15 Arty matches, most of the arty would be in those games and not mine".

I agree that's what he meant. Saying it, however, brings the other interpretation tagged along, as he does play arty himself.



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View PostSpurtung, on 10 April 2018 - 12:59 AM, said:

 

Did anyone else play the 511 matches with arty for you, or...?

 

​missions for 260

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View Post_Anarchistic_, on 10 April 2018 - 02:40 AM, said:

View PostSpurtung, on 10 April 2018 - 12:59 AM, said:

 

Did anyone else play the 511 matches with arty for you, or...?

 

​missions for 260

 

Your motives don't magically grant you a moral high ground. I hope you can see that.



Strappster #15 Posted 10 April 2018 - 03:02 AM

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I had arty in my battles for 10 matches in a row. Really spoiled my fun in the Lorraine 155 51 as I had to play counter-battery at times instead of focusing on all those juicy tier 10 TDs and easy kills on light tanks. :angry:



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I've had arty in every battle I have played for the last 3 days.

 

I really don't understand the problem people have with it. 

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 April 2018 - 05:43 AM, said:

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3463dmg...I see you spell arty play with a capital C.



Homer_J #18 Posted 10 April 2018 - 05:22 AM

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View PostSpurtung, on 10 April 2018 - 04:51 AM, said:

3463dmg...I see you spell arty play with a capital C.

 

In my defence, some of that was by fire.

 

http://wotreplays.eu...homer_j-m53_m55


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imendars #19 Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:00 AM

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Cry me a river.

 

And mandatory:

In Before Locked!

 

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Thread locked. Please discuss arty in the dedicated thread. Thank you.

 

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