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OdysseusKrieg #1 Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:31 PM

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Returned to the game after a few months and the new graphics engine powering the maps is nice,the game looks good, aesthetically.

Played a couple of games,everything seemed ok,then I had an encounter with a obj 268 v4 while in my jpanther 2 and I couldn't pen it's lower plate with gold ammo,311 mm's of penetration and he just casually bounced,what is this abomination?

Has wg gone insane?



lord_chipmonk #2 Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:35 PM

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Yeah, it is bloody ridiculous.

ihateclowns #3 Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:39 PM

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Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, its around the 240 mark I think, and also the tumor on top is only 250. You just need to learn the weakspots, theres a few of them.

Balc0ra #4 Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:41 PM

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View PostOdysseusKrieg, on 09 April 2018 - 11:31 PM, said:

Returned to the game after a few months and the new graphics engine powering the maps is nice,the game looks good, aesthetically.

Played a couple of games,everything seemed ok,then I had an encounter with a obj 268 v4 while in my jpanther 2 and I couldn't pen it's lower plate with gold ammo,311 mm's of penetration and he just casually bounced,what is this abomination?

Has wg gone insane?

 

Well depends on who you ask. But most will say yes. It has a tiny 250mm weakspot at the top. But not an easy target to hit on med range if you have the pen for it. It has 2 lower plates. If you only see the big one, don't even bother aiming at it unless he is on higher ground and poking over a ridge line so you can see the 2nd one. On flat ground when he is not using the gun depression etc. You have a bigger chance on the lower section of the upper plate then the big lower plate. Hull down.. well then leave and hope he don't follow. As when none of you have a turret, he will have the advantage most times.

Edited by Balc0ra, 09 April 2018 - 11:42 PM.


lord_chipmonk #5 Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:42 PM

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View Postihateclowns, on 09 April 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, its around the 240 mark I think, and also the tumor on top is only 250. You just need to learn the weakspots, theres a few of them.

 

Can I run that past you again? You just said that the weak point, the weak point is only 250 mm thick...

 

On a tank with the mobility of a medium and a TD gun...


Edited by lord_chipmonk, 09 April 2018 - 11:42 PM.


OdysseusKrieg #6 Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:01 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 09 April 2018 - 11:41 PM, said:

 

Well depends on who you ask. But most will say yes. It has a tiny 250mm weakspot at the top. But not an easy target to hit on med range if you have the pen for it. It has 2 lower plates. If you only see the big one, don't even bother aiming at it unless he is on higher ground and poking over a ridge line so you can see the 2nd one. On flat ground when he is not using the gun depression etc. You have a bigger chance on the lower section of the upper plate then the big lower plate. Hull down.. well then leave and hope he don't follow. As when none of you have a turret, he will have the advantage most times.

 

Yeah I shot the big lower plate,i thought it was a weakspot like on the jpz e100.

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View Postihateclowns, on 09 April 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, its around the 240 mark I think...

 

HEAVY COUGHING

 



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View Postihateclowns, on 09 April 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, its around the 240 mark I think, and also the tumor on top is only 250. You just need to learn the weakspots, theres a few of them.

 

Other than the fact that you are utterly wrong I just had a small notion that you might be a proud owner of said TD.

 

And whaddayaknow. The only tank you have higher average damage in is the 430u, you have 25% more damage blocked than your second best (tortoise). Could it perhaps be that the armour is a tad too strong or is it jsut that the entire playerbase simply hasn't "learned weakspots"?

 

The fact that you usually barely go over 50% winrate on tier 10s but have a 59,28% winrate in the 268-4 is also because people just don't know weakspots I guess? That is more than your pz2j even. But I guess people just don't know the weakspots.

 

Yeah, the tank is perfectly balanced. People just don't know of the weakspots. Speaking of them, just want to elaborate a bit on the "weakspots.

 

You have a small trollish cupola on top that is even harder to hit considering the insae mobility of this broken thing. That weakspot is "only" 250mmthick unangled.

 

Then you have the llfp (lower lower frontal plate). The usual lower plate won't do, it is 300 nominal and 340+ effective head on. 

 

No, the lower lower frontal plate is what you need to be aiming at, it is only 100mm thick. There is only the slight problem that head on it is at an autobounce angle. So you need to just dig a little hole and shoot up at it. And make sure to do it head on, angling to the side may reintroduce the autobounce angle.

 

But hey presto, just get below it facing it head on and manage to hitthe rather small llfp and you have found a "weakspot".

 

Yep, the only reason you overperform massively in that thing is because people haven't learned weakspots.

 

 


Edited by HugSeal, 10 April 2018 - 12:14 AM.


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Its only weakspot is to be the last of its team and focused by 3 arties while it is being golden by the rest of the enemy team.

K_A #10 Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:37 AM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 09 April 2018 - 11:01 PM, said:

 

HEAVY COUGHING

 

 

Lower plate is for noobs and tweeners. He was of course talking about the lower lower plate, the strip of armour below the part you're showing that's purple in your screenshot because of the angle, but if the angle wasn't too great it could maybe be a pen for 240 guns maybe if the stars and planets all aligned at the correct time and Beelzebub had gotten his daily offering of goat and kittens to allow a shot to penetrate a Russian tank. 

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View PostOdysseusKrieg, on 09 April 2018 - 11:31 PM, said:

Returned to the game after a few months and the new graphics engine powering the maps is nice,the game looks good, aesthetically.

Played a couple of games,everything seemed ok,then I had an encounter with a obj 268 v4 while in my jpanther 2 and I couldn't pen it's lower plate with gold ammo,311 mm's of penetration and he just casually bounced,what is this abomination?

Has wg gone insane?

 

Maybe. Just get your team's SPGs, if you're lucky enough to have such, to dump some shells on it. That'll help.

Strappster #12 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:00 AM

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They all look the same from above and the tracks seem to fall off just as easily as other tanks. :arta:

Baldrickk #13 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:03 AM

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nope. Totally fine.  Nothing to see here.  Not op at all.

Cuck0osNest #14 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:09 AM

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It is WG trying to say you must flank

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View Postihateclowns, on 09 April 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, its around the 240 mark I think, and also the tumor on top is only 250. You just need to learn the weakspots, theres a few of them.

 

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View PostOdysseusKrieg, on 09 April 2018 - 11:31 PM, said:

Returned to the game after a few months and the new graphics engine powering the maps is nice,the game looks good, aesthetically.

Played a couple of games,everything seemed ok,then I had an encounter with a obj 268 v4 while in my jpanther 2 and I couldn't pen it's lower plate with gold ammo,311 mm's of penetration and he just casually bounced,what is this abomination?

Has wg gone insane?

 

Wait until you bounce AP shells on the SU-100M1 (a t7).

Or next month to see the 268 4 as Top of the tree.

But seriously, you are supposed to hit that lower (much lower) plate, while he is rocking back and forth with his 20 hp/ton ... or snipe the center of his viewport. :)

 

View PostCuck0osNest, on 10 April 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

It is WG trying to say you must flank

 

On corridor maps. :)

Edited by VarzA, 10 April 2018 - 05:00 AM.


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View Postihateclowns, on 09 April 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, 

 

The one that's almost at autobounce angle if your gun is on level with it?

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View Postihateclowns, on 10 April 2018 - 12:39 AM, said:

Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, its around the 240 mark I think, and also the tumor on top is only 250. You just need to learn the weakspots, theres a few of them.

 

Only the lower-lower plate, and only if you're shooting up at it. As soon as you're even slightly above it it becomes an autobounce angle. The upper-lower plate is 300mm of nominal armor, and with the angle it becomes 350mm effective: https://tanks.gg/tan...=201127&vm=live

 



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View PostOdysseusKrieg, on 09 April 2018 - 10:31 PM, said:

Returned to the game after a few months and the new graphics engine powering the maps is nice,the game looks good, aesthetically.

Played a couple of games,everything seemed ok,then I had an encounter with a obj 268 v4 while in my jpanther 2 and I couldn't pen it's lower plate with gold ammo,311 mm's of penetration and he just casually bounced,what is this abomination?

Has wg gone insane?

 

Now you know....Just haul [edited]....and hope you have one on your team as well. :)

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View Postihateclowns, on 09 April 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Well, if you have 311 pen then you should be able to pen its lower plate easily, its around the 240 mark I think, and also the tumor on top is only 250. You just need to learn the weakspots, theres a few of them.

 

of course the guy driving the abomination would defend it, let me guess it’s actually underpowered in some respects?




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