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clanmcwood #1 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:43 PM

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Hi guys, this is something I confess im no expert on but what the hell is up with tier 10 economy? I did 4.7k damage in my badger with prem account and still lose 35K and i didn't fire ANY prem rounds 

 

What is the ratio to credits earned to damage done? is it just THIS bad for tier 10s if so they need to SERIOUSLY look at least making it able to break even after a good game 

 

Now i get that tier 10 should be more expensive to play and a TD gets marked down for not spotting the targets its shooting but only getting 50k gross for 4.7k damage seems like an utter insult 

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doriansky1 #2 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:46 PM

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You lost 35K because you resupplied the food and the large repair kit (or large first aid kit ?) . Buy those when they are at a discount (i think this weekend they should be at 10k).

HQ65 #3 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:47 PM

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Yeah, it's a [edited].....I think it is impossible to earn money on a regular basis with Tier X. Although granted, the consumables cost you basically all your winnings. 

clanmcwood #4 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:51 PM

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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 April 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

You lost 35K because you resupplied the food and the large repair kit (or large first aid kit ?) . Buy those when they are at a discount (i think this weekend they should be at 10k).

 

My point was that even doing 4.7k damage the gross income was only 50k to start with! 

clanmcwood #5 Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:53 PM

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This is what makes the Scorpion G so good I got 50K gross on a terrible game with only 800 damage its like Tier X's earn LESS than lower tiers (yes yes i know the G has a modifier as a prem tanks but thats only 50% extra not 400% 

SirTogII #6 Posted 10 April 2018 - 02:01 PM

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Correct me if I’m wrong but pretty sure shooting targets other ppl spot only gives you half the silver (as well as xp). Batchat which often spots for itself plus gets assist damage very rarely fails to make a profit even in average games.

doriansky1 #7 Posted 10 April 2018 - 02:02 PM

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View Postclanmcwood, on 10 April 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

My point was that even doing 4.7k damage the gross income was only 50k to start with! 

 

Two more things:

 - 3k out of the 4.7k was from more than 300meters. So you earned only half of the credits since it was not your spotting dmg.

- it seems you didn't survived the battle, hence the repair costs also affected your net income.

 

Also 4.7k dmg is not out of this world for a tier X tank, i believe it's enough for a 3rd class medal ?



Dava_117 #8 Posted 10 April 2018 - 02:16 PM

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If you want to make profit, use standard consumables: small repair kit, small medkit and manual fire extingusher.

IMO its good that those who use premium consumables get negative incomes, it help balancing tier population.



clanmcwood #9 Posted 10 April 2018 - 02:25 PM

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View Postdoriansky1, on 10 April 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

 

Two more things:

 - 3k out of the 4.7k was from more than 300meters. So you earned only half of the credits since it was not your spotting dmg.

- it seems you didn't survived the battle, hence the repair costs also affected your net income.

 

Also 4.7k dmg is not out of this world for a tier X tank, i believe it's enough for a 3rd class medal ?

2nd class but thats not the point it seems you have to do an enormous amount of damage just to break even.

 

and i like tier 10 as the battles seem to me to at least be somewhat balanced this was a 15-11 close battle with me holding the middle on live oaks after our team lost the town. and I get it has to be more expensive top tier i have already said that but i think its too harsh 4.7 is still a decent if not out of this world damage in a tier 10 game most here think half that is a really good game so they must be losing 70-80k a game.

 

agree or not I dont care IMO WG need to ease up on the tier X economy and reward decent games not punish them. i was top damage by over a thousand and it would have been a loss without me in that game yet i lose credits.... way to treat good play WG



Balc0ra #10 Posted 10 April 2018 - 02:25 PM

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View Postclanmcwood, on 10 April 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

Hi guys, this is something I confess im no expert on but what the hell is up with tier 10 economy? I did 4.7k damage in my badger with prem account and still lose 35K and i didn't fire ANY prem rounds

 

But even if you made 70K on that game, you would still lose money running premium consumables, even if you did not use any premium ammo.

 

 

View Postclanmcwood, on 10 April 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

My point was that even doing 4.7k damage the gross income was only 50k to start with! 

 

No your point was that you still lost credit even without premium ammo. But you use 40K in premium consumables instead. Then again if it was that easy to make a profit, or get more income on tier X. Why buy premium tanks or play mid tier for income? But doing all the damage in the world don't matter. When you do a majority of it on 300+ Meters, as indicated by your screen. You have no assist either. So you lost 50% of the credits pr damage point on a majority of that damage IF all that 3K damage at 300m was given to someone as assist.

 

As it's not how much damage you do. It's how and where you do it that decides your income too.

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 10 April 2018 - 02:26 PM.


clanmcwood #11 Posted 10 April 2018 - 02:37 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 April 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

 

 

But even if you made 70K on that game, you would still lose money running premium consumables, even if you did not use any premium ammo.

 

 

 

No your point was that you still lost credit even without premium ammo. But you use 40K in premium consumables instead. Then again if it was that easy to make a profit, or get more income on tier X. Why buy premium tanks or play mid tier for income? But doing all the damage in the world don't matter. When you do a majority of it on 300+ Meters, as indicated by your screen. You have no assist either. So you lost 50% of the credits pr damage point on a majority of that damage IF all that 3K damage at 300m was given to someone as assist.

 

As it's not how much damage you do. It's how and where you do it that decides your income too.

 

 

 

HAHA well your a keyboard warrior good for you no my point was what I said NOT what you assume or extrapolate and there WAS some assistance damage so that showed you didnt even look at teh screen shot so good for you with 13k posts i see you spout some drivle trying to shoot everyone down on every point to get your post count up! so you might as well leave now 

Balc0ra #12 Posted 10 April 2018 - 03:06 PM

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View Postclanmcwood, on 10 April 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

HAHA well your a keyboard warrior good for you no my point was what I said NOT what you assume or extrapolate and there WAS some assistance damage so that showed you didnt even look at teh screen shot so good for you with 13k posts i see you spout some drivle trying to shoot everyone down on every point to get your post count up! so you might as well leave now 

 

I did read that. You simply said TD's get marked down for not spotting their own targets. True for a 2nd line TD. But this is not a 2nd line TD is it? And you have never mentioned the word assist damage. So thus why I assumed. As said you sat in the middle of Live Oaks. And I would not say holding it when you only took 6 hits. And I have no idea where the rest of your team was between you and the enemy.  I did see the screen. And your screen don't even tell half the story. So it's safe to assume, you would have gotten more income if you went town to bawl and did 4.7K, vs sitting in the middle shooting across the map. That was simply my point. So no need to get your panties up your bum for that.

 

Your point is still the same. You want WG to reward you for your damage. Regardless of how you do it on tier X and what you use. That would also more or less reward bad play. As we have all seen E100's camping base do 5K damage after half the team is gone. Or even tier X LT's sitting at the back doing 4K damage on a HT's spotting.

 

And use the comma and punctuation. It helps me understand you better. So I don't have to read your post 10 times to understand what you were on about.


Edited by Balc0ra, 10 April 2018 - 03:16 PM.


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View Postclanmcwood, on 10 April 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

Hi guys, this is something I confess im no expert on but what the hell is up with tier 10 economy? I did 4.7k damage in my badger with prem account and still lose 35K and i didn't fire ANY prem rounds 

 

What is the ratio to credits earned to damage done? is it just THIS bad for tier 10s if so they need to SERIOUSLY look at least making it able to break even after a good game 

 

Now i get that tier 10 should be more expensive to play and a TD gets marked down for not spotting the targets its shooting but only getting 50k gross for 4.7k damage seems like an utter insult 

 

Don't snipe, spot, hit your targets, use small repair kits or buy premium consumables on discount, that is how you make profit at tier 10. 

 

This guy did the same damage pretty much, no assistance and he got 77k credits, mainly because it looks like most of his damage was all his own spotting - 

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4287501#details

 

If you had done your damage with your own spotting and bought your consumables on discount then you'd have made around 15k credits profit. 

 

 


Edited by Simeon85, 10 April 2018 - 03:14 PM.


doriansky1 #14 Posted 10 April 2018 - 03:14 PM

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View Postclanmcwood, on 10 April 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

agree or not I dont care IMO WG need to ease up on the tier X economy and reward decent games not punish them. i was top damage by over a thousand and it would have been a loss without me in that game yet i lose credits.... way to treat good play WG

Man you were rewarded, without spending 40k consumables this game would have been a 6k profit. Considering you died and ~60% of your damage was not yours.....6k is decent. Again, buy those premium consumables when they are at discount (usually there is a weekend once a month when you can buy them with 10k).



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Because WG wants you to feel the need to run a premium account past tier 7... that pays their bills, sports cars, hookers and space stations.

Balc0ra #16 Posted 10 April 2018 - 03:18 PM

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View PostHaZardeur, on 10 April 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

Because WG wants you to feel the need to run a premium account past tier 7... that pays their bills, sports cars, hookers and space stations.

 

SerB still going to the moon? Then again it's done with free players in mind more so then paying players. As if not, everyone would play tier X for income vs tier 5 and 6.

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If you dont spot your own targets, you will loose credits

If you miss %30 of your shots, you will loose credits,

If you use premium consumables, you will loose credits,

If you are on the loosing side, you will loose credits..

 

If you are doing all of the above in a same match as you did,

It doesnt matter how much damage you did... or premium acc you had..

you will loose credits... basic... that is tier 10...

you need to be extremely good, cheap and winning to earn credits..

 

wellcome to intended WOT economy!

and it is a good thing....



Keyanu #18 Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:03 PM

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Just look at the streamers who rarely use prem ammo at higher tiers and they barely make a profit. Circon and Sir Foch are prime examples of this.

 

Wargaming forces you to purchase a prem tank in order to fund higher tier gameplay, guess that's the business model.



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Well I made almost 7k damage in Type 5 on prem account and went into the negative territory. But again, can't complain for getting "penalized" for playing a tank intended for people with zero skill and deep pockets :)

 

As for the economics of tier X, I think that you can't play tier X all the time unless you have a grinding options available (clan reserves, personal reserves, playing well, prem account, good earning prem tank). I think this is intentional. The game is generally free to play, not every aspect of it. E.g. if I played tier 8 tanks, I would never be without money, even without prem tanks/account, reserves. 



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View Postclanmcwood, on 10 April 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

 

My point was that even doing 4.7k damage the gross income was only 50k to start with! 

 

Probably why folk dont rate the badger.




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