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NoobySkooby #1 Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:56 PM

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Is there any way this can be overhauled or improved upon, tanks buffed etc (this is sort of in response to the German tech tree thread:))

 

Why is there no decent British premium heavies or mediums? (discounting the FV402 which is a tank i like actually)



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Do you dare to diss the mighty boat on tracks???

ThinGun #3 Posted 10 April 2018 - 05:26 PM

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TOG 3.

Search_Warrant #4 Posted 10 April 2018 - 05:28 PM

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People dont like brit premiums because they have trash guns attached to garbage platforms that dont work in this games meta.

 

RASHA gets high tier hulls/turrets with lower caliber guns and shoved down a tier or 2. british get low tier trash platforms and there guns are bad in all there tiers (17 and 20 pounders suck) then shoved to the SAME tier they was bad on.


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The Excelsior is quite good, I particularly enjoy those moments when a circling light thinks they'll get an easy pen through the arse.

IncandescentGerbil #6 Posted 10 April 2018 - 06:02 PM

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TogU. I dreamt it after a night of cheese and wine consumption, so it's legit. With 400mm of front armour, its 5000hp battleship engine gives it a top speed of 70kph in water. Stretched by 25m over standard TOG to allow for addition of quaint English tea room amidships.
And it still makes more sense than 268v4.

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View Postkaptainkrunch, on 10 April 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Is there any way this can be overhauled or improved upon, tanks buffed etc (this is sort of in response to the German tech tree thread:))

 

Why is there no decent British premium heavies or mediums? (discounting the FV402 which is a tank i like actually)

 

Let's have a look,,, top tanks played..British..

 

41. Cromwell

47.FV4202

56. Conqueror

106. Centurion

 

 



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View PostBordhaw, on 10 April 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

 

Let's have a look,,, top tanks played..British..

 

41. Cromwell

47.FV4202

56. Conqueror

106. Centurion

 

 

 

id thought they was cromwell, cromwell B, Sconc, conq.

ThinGun #9 Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:40 PM

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I'd like to see something like the Scorpion.  It could be called the woodlouse.

NoobySkooby #10 Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:11 AM

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No I dare not diss the garage queen that is the TOG, seems a good tank for defending the base though:trollface:

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View PostBordhaw, on 10 April 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

Let's have a look,,, top tanks played..British..

 

41. Cromwell

47.FV4202

56. Conqueror

106. Centurion

 

Does that source include FV4202 battles from when it was on tier 10?

Nickthedevil #12 Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:08 AM

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True there are some real dogs in the heavy/medium trees but there is one superstar - Super Conqueror is a God.

 

Don't hold your breath for any buffs - especially with the politics right now. "Surely WG wouldn't be that petty?", bet your life they are.

 

Note: Don't forget UK line has some great turreted TDs - Charioteer is like a T67 on steroids at TVIII and the Shutbarn is a lol experience.


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Simeon85 #13 Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

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Is it 2016?

 

Much like the German tech tree, the British tech tree needs no special attention or re-work. It got that attention last year, previously yes it needed it but now? not so much. 

 

There are loads of decent to good tanks - Cromwell, Super Conq, Conq, Badger, Torty is OP at the moment, Charioteer, even Challenger is decent now, Cent AX is solid, Caernarvon has insane DPM.

 

There are a few tanks that probably still need some attention like Cent 7/1, Crusader, Conway is still pretty meh even after the new guns, the 215b needs some love, the 215b 183 is still awful despite it's broken levels of alpha. Plus you have the Churchills which are still pretty bad. But this is no different from many other trees, as said the German, US, Chinese and French trees also have plenty of weak tanks right now. 

 

Basically most tech trees have a mixture of very good, good, average and poor tanks. The Russian tree is probably the exception where there are consistently loads of very good to down right OP tanks right now. 

 

Premiums are pretty bad though I will give you that, only really good ones are the Cromwell B and the AT-15A IMO (and the latter is slow).

 

The AC IV, AC 1, FV4202, Matilda BP, TOG 2, FV201, Chieftain/T95, and Excelsior, those are actually a collection of pretty poor premiums right there.

 

The Caernarvon Action X and the new Australian Centurion should on current stats be pretty decent premiums though.

 

What I really want for the British tree is a light tank line. HESH spamming lights :izmena:



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You must be joking.

 

The mediums have been buffed, the heavys tier 8-10 are good if not op, the AT line got serious armor buffs, the turreted tds are very good.

 

Just some examples:

  • Centurions have top speed increased and turrets buffed so they are hulldown monsters as they were designed to be. Penetration was never an issue for them
  • Caernavon has a great gun, insane dpm, great turret; Conqueror was always good and it got some buffs to gun depression; SQ is Slightly op.
  • Challenger with the new gun is better than most tier 8 mediums; tier 8 and 9 tds on turreted line always had great guns and mobility and A TURRET. Btw tier9 has waaaay too good gun handling for the big gun and now it has meme hesh. Shitbarn was always broken.
  • AT line is vastly improved, especially the tortoise, which got retarded armor buffs. badger is only considered not op because of the slow speed.

 

Yes there are some stinkers like the churchills and bp, but that is very common on all tech trees. Those are just tanks you grind through with misery or you free xp...it's company policy.



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I don't have much experience of the British Line, but I 'grew up' with the UC 2lb TD.  That was an absolute beast at its own tier.  Hmmm ... maybe I should take it out of mothballs and go seal clubbing.

Tom_Deekanarry #16 Posted 11 April 2018 - 03:23 PM

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Just buy the Comet and play a few hundred games in it, after that everything in the Brit tree seems ok!

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The only problem with British tanks I have is the top speed, mainly in heavies.
Started grinding Churchill VII, got annoyed badly and quit it shortly which resulted in selling the tank before the grind was finished. Having 20km/h top speed, garbage armor that works only against tier IV and some tier V, abysmal gun depression and being blind as a bat is a result for disaster. Not to mention that shells fly everywhere but to the point you're aiming at. There's basically nothing special about the tank and I feel like Black Prince is no better.

There's simply nothing special about the entire line until your reach Caernavon.

I'll probably wait for the free experience to accumulate and free experience up to Caernavon.


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View PostAsuschrist, on 11 April 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

The only problem with British tanks I have is the top speed, mainly in heavies.
Started grinding Churchill VII, got annoyed badly and quit it shortly which resulted in selling the tank before the grind was finished. Having 20km/h top speed, garbage armor that works only against tier IV and some tier V, abysmal gun depression and being blind as a bat is a result for disaster. Not to mention that shells fly everywhere but to the point you're aiming at. There's basically nothing special about the tank and I feel like Black Prince is no better.

There's simply nothing special about the entire line until your reach Caernavon.

I'll probably wait for the free experience to accumulate and free experience up to Caernavon.

 

I gave up on the VII as well, just went and bought the premium III instead, it's a reasonable tank in tier V but in VI it's awful.

 

Still better than the Comet though, I think that one slipped past the Beta Testers!



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The British line is in a better shape than it has been for a very long time - the HD Cent turrets completely wrecked them for ages, and thankfully now sorted except in a few cases, 

 

However, there's some little areas which need sorting;

 

Cent 7/1 - was once the best gun on Tier IX med. The trade off was the long reload. It's been powercreeped out of existence now; needs a standard pen buff or a dispersion improvement (it's very derpy, even with a maxed crew).

 

FV201 - for reasons known only to WG, it still has the terrible HD turret. Thus it can't do the one thing it's supposed to; hulldown ridgeline work. If it had the current Cent 1 turret, it could work, even with the 17pdr... but as it stands it basically useless, even when facing lower tiers. (Compared with the KV-122, IS-2 Berlin, and VK45.03, it's garbage)

 

Crusader - was a very decent light at V, and with a good crew could scout well, and simply out-DPM things like the ELC. As a med it's just tragic, and leaves the Brit line with no actual scouts, at all. I'd like to see it go back to being an LT.

 

Churchill VII - has never been very good. Either needs some more armour buffs to reflect the fact it was better armoured than the Tiger I IRL, or limited MM to reflect the fact that with the current mechanics it just get slaughtered by Tier VIIIs without any alpha or sniping ability to give a role (unlike the RU or GER equivalents at VI).

 

It's sad to reflect that actual real life tanks that saw service are basically useless in this game - Tiger I, Churchill VII, Panther, and Centurion aren't in any way competitive now.

 

 



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View PostGerman_Dunc, on 11 April 2018 - 10:51 PM, said:

It's sad to reflect that actual real life tanks that saw service are basically useless in this game - Tiger I, Churchill VII, Panther, and Centurion aren't in any way competitive now.

 

 

 

Tiger 1 and Cent 1 are alright IMO, not the best tanks but solid enough for their tier.  Tiger 1 is probably just the worst played tank in the game, maybe even overtaking the Lowe for being the ultimate refuge of the terrible noob.

 

If you play the tanks as the support heavy it is, it's got a good gun, high HP and a lot of DPM.

 

The Cent 1 with it's new turret is pretty much a faster Patriot with worse hull armour now, like the Primo Victoria. 






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