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arthurwellsley #1 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:15 AM

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I am about to buy a new laptop. I am torn between two machines;

15.6" MSI GS63VR 7RG Stealth Pro-048, Max-Q, 120Hz FHD, i7 7700HQ, 16GB DDR4, 512GB NVMe SSD+1TB HDD, 8GB GTX 1070,Win10

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15.6" MSI GS63VR 7RF Stealth Pro-494, 120Hz FHD, i7 7700HQ, 16GB DDR4, 256GB M.2 NVMe SSD+2TB HDD, 6GB GTX 1060, Win10

 

The difference is the 4k screen one has a 1070, while the 1920x1080 (Full HD) screen one has a 1060.

 

The 1920x1080 one costs £1,739. The 4k one costs £1,900. The difference in price is meaningless to me.

My primary aim is to have a light machine for work to carry around alot. Either machine would do all I need for day to day work. The secondary aim is to play WoT in the evenings in dull hotel rooms (it's cheaper than hotel bars).

 

I believe that because of eCore the 1070 card will maybe give more fps than the 1060 card. Probably not by very much?

 

However want I would really like replies on is what gameplay is like in WoT on a 4k screen? How optimised is WoT for 4k screens? Or does WoT actually run better on a 1920x1080 screen?

 

(I like the design look of https://www.apple.co...B/A&step=config but (a) it only comes with a Radeon 560, which appears to be much weaker than a 1060, and so I cannot imagine it will play WoT on all Ultra settings [if I am wrong and the Radeon 560 will play WoT on all Ultra please tell me], and (b) it costs £2,700 which seems slightly excessive even by my standards to buy something just because it looks prettier than the MSI machines above, although if it did run WoT on all Ultra settings I would buy it, and (c.) I believe the macbook pros are about to get an Apple upgrade so now would be a poor moment in the cycle to buy one).


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LittleLara #2 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:24 AM

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The 2 laptops you have linked both have a  1920x1080 screen.

Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #3 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:27 AM

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With a 4K screen you can also play WOT on a 1920x1080 resolution.

That's what I'm doing. But then I got a laptop with 4k screen and a 960M video card. Playing on 4K makes it somewhat sluggish.



CmdRatScabies #4 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:30 AM

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View Postfirelars4, on 12 April 2018 - 10:24 AM, said:

The 2 laptops you have linked both have a  1920x1080 screen.

 

External display?

Robsham #5 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:31 AM

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I wouldn't be confident guessing how well it would work on other cards, but I run 4k/1080TI with everything on ultra and the 4k works beautifully; one of the better games in 4k imo. My FPS is constantly 90+ and there are no real issues I can think of, apart from lag in the garage when you have a lot of windows open (ie crew profiles or match results), but I don't know if that's anything to do with 4k.

 

Ohh, also in 4k some of the logos and text in the garage/load screens are clearly low res and look like arse, but otherwise it's awesome.


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LittleLara #6 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:56 AM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 12 April 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

 

External display?

 

that is certainly possible, but he mentioned that the 1070 laptop has a 4K screen, while the 1060 one does not. I just don't want him to buy the wrong laptop on accident.

jack_timber #7 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:56 AM

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Having spent many years living out of a suitcase during the week at various "classes" of hotels I know exactly what you mean, you see them all the time, Johnny no mates I used to call them including myself.

The only reservation i would have for playing WoT in hotels is internet speed and ping...

The 1070 is the more capable card, well should be, I have a 1060 in mine and run on all settings maxed out at 100fps on a HD screen if that helps.

 



DuncaN_101 #8 Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:58 AM

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All I can say don't limit yourself to msi.
Have  very bad experience with those things.



loot_the_supermarket #9 Posted 12 April 2018 - 11:09 AM

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Unless you're going to output to a much larger display it's a bit of a waste of time ... I've been running wot at 4k since i started over a year ago, but that's with a 32 inch monitor.

With a 1070 I suspect you'll have to come off the ultra settings to get reliable 60fps, turn off AA and lower a number of other settings.



Kozzy #10 Posted 12 April 2018 - 11:51 AM

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I was in the same boat (kind of) as you just before Christmas and looked at the same laptops you're looking at (also Asus GL702 and Gigabyte p57).

 

In the end I went for this with a QHD 120Hz G-Sync screen.  WoT looks good with everything maxed @ 2560×1440 - 120Hz.  I am very pleased with the purchase and would totally recommend Dell AW stuff

 

Not sure you're gonna find many 4k laptops that can run 100+Hz?


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View Postloot_the_supermarket, on 12 April 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

Unless you're going to output to a much larger display it's a bit of a waste of time ... I've been running wot at 4k since i started over a year ago, but that's with a 32 inch monitor.

With a 1070 I suspect you'll have to come off the ultra settings to get reliable 60fps, turn off AA and lower a number of other settings.

With a desktop 1070, I get 58-60 (I've frame-limited it to 60) on my 4K screen with everything turned on*.

 

Something they started doing was putting full spec graphics cards in laptops with the Nvidia 10-series, but it might be clocked a little lower.

 

I'd expect the card to maybe not be able to boost to the same level, so 50-60fps at 4k should be expected (not that dropping some setting a little lower is a bad idea if you want to hit that sweet 60fps)

 

4k isn't really needed on a screen that size.

I'm sitting point blank in front of my 50" screen (and yes, it's lovely) but anything under 32"? I dont really think I could tell the difference with a non-static image.

 

*I have post processing turned down slightly to get rid of the awful chromatic aberration that doesn't have its own toggle, and to turn off motion blur which isn't needed with good frame rates.

 

View PostKozzy, on 12 April 2018 - 11:51 AM, said:

I was in the same boat (kind of) as you just before Christmas and looked at the same laptops you're looking at (also Asus GL702 and Gigabyte p57).

 

In the end I went for this with a QHD 120Hz G-Sync screen.  WoT looks good with everything maxed @ 2560×1440 - 120Hz.  I am very pleased with the purchase and would totally recommend Dell AW stuff

 

Not sure you're gonna find many 4k laptops that can run 100+Hz?

Oh you went Alienware? Nice, but is there any reason you didn't spec out an XPS machine to match?

You just wanted that branding, didn't you? :P


 

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View PostBaldrickk, on 12 April 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

With a desktop 1070, I get 58-60 (I've frame-limited it to 60) on my 4K screen with everything turned on*.

 

Something they started doing was putting full spec graphics cards in laptops with the Nvidia 10-series, but it might be clocked a little lower.

 

 

I believe the specs are the same for 1070 and 1080 cards.  1060s are still gimped a little, from what I remember.

 

View PostBaldrickk, on 12 April 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

4k isn't really needed on a screen that size.

I'm sitting point blank in front of my 50" screen (and yes, it's lovely) but anything under 32"? I dont really think I could tell the difference with a non-static image.

 

*I have post processing turned down slightly to get rid of the awful chromatic aberration that doesn't have its own toggle, and to turn off motion blur which isn't needed with good frame rates.

 

 

You say you've been getting headaches recently? :P

 



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View PostBaldrickk, on 12 April 2018 - 12:06 PM, said:

I'm sitting point blank in front of my 50" screen .....

 

Doesn't that reach the point where you have to turn your head to see different parts of the screen?  :)

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I would took the frirst one. Better graphic card. :)

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View PostKozzy, on 12 April 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

Not sure you're gonna find many 4k laptops that can run 100+Hz?

 

Even desktop gaming monitors don't have that combination. Not to mention that you probably need a 1080 Ti SLI setup to actually make use of it.

 

But to answer OPs question: WoT scales reasonably well in 4k if the correct UI scaling is configured (that sometimes doesn't work properly). But 4k on a 15 inch laptop screen is beyond useless on my opinion, you'll hardly see a quality-difference compared to Full-HD at that screen size. And if you're running any legacy applications you may suffer from severe scaling issues.



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View PostBaldrickk, on 12 April 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

Oh you went Alienware? Nice, but is there any reason you didn't spec out an XPS machine to match?

You just wanted that branding, didn't you? :P

 

The XPS stuff is also VERY nice.  But yeah, I'm a bit of a sucker for shiny stuff it seems.  I wanted the cool LED backlit keyboard, such a gimmick but looks lovely.  Was never really a fan of the brand until I actually held one, it just feels right really nice build quality.  

 

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4K on a laptop display? No way, Jose. Minimum 32" and max one meter distance.

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View Postramram70, on 12 April 2018 - 11:30 AM, said:

4K on a laptop display? No way, Jose. Minimum 32" and max one meter distance.

 

Resolution tells nothing about screen size. I also got a 4k 15" screen in my laptop. It's really crisp and sharp. 

When I see a non 4k screen, it often looks rather blurry to me now :P



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My primary aim is to have a light machine for work to carry around alot.

 

Here is your deciding factor as both will piss all over WoT specs



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View PostKozzy, on 12 April 2018 - 12:10 PM, said:

 

I believe the specs are the same for 1070 and 1080 cards.  1060s are still gimped a little, from what I remember.

 

 

You say you've been getting headaches recently? :P

 

That change was two weeks ago. Headaches for 7 months. I doubt they are related.

 

View PostCmdRatScabies, on 12 April 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

 

Doesn't that reach the point where you have to turn your head to see different parts of the screen?  :)
 

Indeed it does. The outer edges fill my peripheral vision. This is fantastic for say... Mirrors Edge.

The scale and projected distance match up well with my arm length, and you feel a lot more immersed (but also you feel really short, which is to be expected I guess, playing as a Eurasian woman, whereas I'm a slightly taller than average European male, it's a little annoying though as instead of feeling lower, it feels more like the ground is closer than it should be...)

It's not quite as good for WOT, but setting FOV to 120 degrees helps somewhat.

 

And it is definitely pretty.

 

The mission interface really needs a scaling option though. The boxes are larger on the screen than my hand!

 

 

Back on topic, based on the hardware alone, the 1070 one is more than worth that additional cost. 

 






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