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hasnainrakha57 #1 Posted 12 April 2018 - 12:45 PM

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Lts talk about swedish tds that are op only tier 9 and 10:

1)Their dpm is excellent.

2)Their speed is excellent.

3)Their gun handling is excellent.

4)Their camo is op u wont find one until u touch one while driving your tank.

5)No weak spot they are cover whole with space tier 8 have 0 chance of penetrating them until u hit cupola.Even tier 10s cannot penetrate it.

 

150mm guns can hit them hard but not every tank have 150mm.While i was driving patriot and was on full hp.A strv103B shot me i rushed towards it distance was 200m+.I was able to spot it when distance was 10m with full to 200hp left.

 

Driving t57 found tier 9 strv it was hiding it cupola with a wall.Belive me i was not able to penetrate it with 340mm or 258mm.

 

Where ARE THE CONS!

 



HaZardeur #2 Posted 12 April 2018 - 12:49 PM

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All swedish TDs with the "siege" mode perform only well if your team is in a defensive position from the start. If your team steamrolls the enemy you see them perform pretty badly as they cant keep up the pace. They are one-trick ponies and that trick isnt really of any use.

Edited by HaZardeur, 12 April 2018 - 12:51 PM.


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121mm to overmatch the tier 9 and lowerplate and center of the upper in tier 10. 151mm for the side parts of upper plate.
Or just move sideways and overmatch the sides.

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they don't have a turret and need time to set up. if you just spam their tracks, they won't be able to shoot you at all if you do so. The tier 9 and 10 can be penned by 122 mm guns and bigger. for the tier 10 you just need to shoot the lower plate. if you don't have this, spam heat at it, this will bounce at a higher angle than the angle of their armour when they're facing you directly. If you have none of these, once again, spam tracks and shoot the side armour, even if he's giving it very well angled. 

 

As for spotting the thing, yeah I have nothing.



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Tier 9 : doesn't have excellent DPM at all (much worse than Tortoise and Jagdtiger). Armor doesn't work since any 122m will overmatch you. Alternatively any calibre shooting HEAT will pen.  You can use the armor against tanks like E50 and SuperConqueror (because they have small calibre and APCR as premium rounds). 

Tier 10 : I like this a lot because of the great DPM. But it's not OP, let's be serious.

 

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

Driving t57 found tier 9 strv it was hiding it cupola with a wall.Belive me i was not able to penetrate it with 340mm or 258mm.

T57 should always pen the tier 9 with HEAT. Always. Stop shooting the tracks with HEAT or shoot the sides at any angle.

 

Also, please stop clasifiying half of the tanks in this game OP.  One month ago we had a thread where someone claimed that Badger, TVP T50/51 and Elc Even 90 are OP.....The only OP tank in this game is the 268v4. 

 

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

1. While i was driving patriot and was on full hp.A strv103B shot me i rushed towards it distance was 200m+.I was able to spot it when distance was 10m with full to 200hp left.

 

2. Where ARE THE CONS!

1. No disrespect, but "one does not simply rush a tank with 4.5k DPM in a tier 8 heavy".

 

2. They don't have turret...that's a big con imo. Also they are useless if they are not in siege mode (which cannot be said about the tier8 UDES which can move the gun outside siege mode and is able to flank very slow heavies at the end of the game). When they are in siege mode they are perhaps the easiest tanks to flank. 

 

There are situations in which they are the best...probably you encountered them in one of these scenarios (e.g long range shooting with a ridge line used as cover).


 

Edited by Jbnn, 17 April 2018 - 07:46 AM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

Lts talk about swedish tds that are op only tier 9 and 10:

1)Their dpm is excellent. Only for the Tier 10. T9's DPM is good, not excellent. And they need to be in siege mode to fire.

2)Their speed is excellent. Very good, not excellent. Reverse is excellent out side of siege mode. Which is mostly ireelevant since what matters is siege mode speeds, which are super bad.

3)Their gun handling is excellent. But, they need to be in siege mod for that, which limits opportunities drastisacally.

4)Their camo is op u wont find one until u touch one while driving your tank. No, their camo is pretty good. But that's it. 

5)No weak spot they are cover whole with space tier 8 have 0 chance of penetrating them until u hit cupola.Even tier 10s cannot penetrate it. LFP is overmatched by 122mm or greater calibers, as are some parts of the upper hull. Sides are overmatched by pretty much anything. Which means unless they are looking straight at you, you will pen them on the sides. And probably track them in doing so.

 

150mm guns can hit them hard but not every tank have 150mm.While i was driving patriot and was on full hp.A strv103B shot me i rushed towards it distance was 200m+.I was able to spot it when distance was 10m with full to 200hp left. Proxy spotting is 50m

 

Driving t57 found tier 9 strv it was hiding it cupola with a wall.Belive me i was not able to penetrate it with 340mm or 258mm. Missplay on your end. Track them and get their side which are autopen at any angle with T57's gun.

 

Where ARE THE CONS! So many cons, yet you can't figure them by yourself. The biggest one : once track, they can't even aim.

 

 


Edited by SuperDuperOtter, 12 April 2018 - 01:21 PM.


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They're very strong esp in open maps, good luck pushing into one.

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Not OP. But sure with that combination of accuracy, DPM and pen, the cammo valur they got need a huge nerf. Or remove the special interaction between siege mode and cammo/binocs.

Edited by Dava_117, 12 April 2018 - 01:22 PM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

Where ARE THE CONS!

 

Well they looks like cheese wedges.

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

Lts talk about swedish tds that are op only tier 9 and 10:

1)Their dpm is excellent.

2)Their speed is excellent.

3)Their gun handling is excellent.

4)Their camo is op u wont find one until u touch one while driving your tank.

5)No weak spot they are cover whole with space tier 8 have 0 chance of penetrating them until u hit cupola.Even tier 10s cannot penetrate it.

 

150mm guns can hit them hard but not every tank have 150mm.While i was driving patriot and was on full hp.A strv103B shot me i rushed towards it distance was 200m+.I was able to spot it when distance was 10m with full to 200hp left.

 

Driving t57 found tier 9 strv it was hiding it cupola with a wall.Belive me i was not able to penetrate it with 340mm or 258mm.

 

Where ARE THE CONS!

 

 

The real con is that you have to play with 1 or 2 friends that spot for you and cover your flanks.

As mentioned above by forumites, if u r playing defense they r strong.

If u r attacking, not that much.



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View PostDava_117, on 12 April 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

Not OP. But sure with that combination of accuracy, DPM and pen, the cammo valur they got need a huge nerf. Or remove the special interaction between siege mode and cammo/binocs.

 

No, the camo really isn't THAT good.

 

What ppl describe when they talk about Strv 103B that are unspottable are either :

1) one that doesn't shoot, which is pointless since he'll get wreaked once proxy spotted.

2) good players making good use of camo mecanics (or an average player that happened to put him self in such a place unintentionally). A 0 camo value would get them as unspottable in that case.

 

The biggest value of Strv 103B's camo is being hardder to spot when he moves than most TD or MT. Usefull for getting in position and reloc. But that's it.


Edited by SuperDuperOtter, 12 April 2018 - 01:46 PM.


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View PostSuperDuperOtter, on 12 April 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

No, the camo really isn't THAT good.

 

What ppl describe when they talk about Strv 103B that are unspottable are either :

1) one that doesn't shoot, which is pointless since he'll get wreaked once proxy spotted.

2) good players making good use of camo mecanics. A 0 camo value would get them as unspottable in that case.

 

The biggest value of Strv 103B's camo is being hardder to spot when he moves than most TD or MT. Usefull for reloc. But that's it.

 

Not true. The cammo they got is silly. With 428m VR I couldn't spot one of this things untill I got at leassss than 200m, an it was shooting in the middle of nowhere! Balanced...

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

150mm guns can hit them hard but not every tank have 150mm.While i was driving patriot and was on full hp.A strv103B shot me i rushed towards it distance was 200m+.I was able to spot it when distance was 10m with full to 200hp left.

 

If you know where he is? Then why keep pushing at it? It's like a tier 6 med knowing where the E25 is and still yolos it's spot in the open hoping to stop it before it's to late.

 

They are far from OP. But rather situational. And that situation is open ground and range. Like any TD.

 

View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

Driving t57 found tier 9 strv it was hiding it cupola with a wall.Belive me i was not able to penetrate it with 340mm or 258mm.

 

You need 122mm to pen that head on vs the hull. Don't matter how much pen you have, the 70 degree slope with toss that right off if you have 120mm or less. Cupola is 15mm on it. So spam that with HE and it dies rather fast..


Edited by Balc0ra, 12 April 2018 - 02:00 PM.


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For those who say they are not op please watch this SKIP TO  9:30:

https://youtu.be/6gHzL0J1zNw



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View PostDava_117, on 12 April 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

 

Not true. The cammo they got is silly. With 428m VR I couldn't spot one of this things untill I got at leassss than 200m, an it was shooting in the middle of nowhere! Balanced...

 

​428 m VR is bad VR.

 

But, even with this bad VR, you should have spotted him at around 370 m when he was firing his gun in the middle of nowhere. And that is assuming he had the best camo possible : 100% camo crew, camo paint, camo net, BIA, vent, and food.

 

Either :

 - It wasn't 200m.

 - He wasn't firing, which would make him spottable at around 200m.

 - He wasn't in the middle of nowhere and had bushes and used them proporly -> credit to the player, not the tank.

 

Either way, you'r wrong.


Edited by SuperDuperOtter, 12 April 2018 - 02:07 PM.


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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

For those who say they are not op please watch this SKIP TO  9:30:

https://youtu.be/6gHzL0J1zNw

 

Where is the OPness in that? Even an Obj140 can hide behind a bush without being spotted. Stop clasifying half of tanks as OP, please. Stop this madness.  Why are u calling a tank OP without playing it first? 

 

Also, T110E3 with food and binos....that's a nice meme.


Edited by doriansky1, 12 April 2018 - 02:03 PM.


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No, they are not op in any way.

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View Posthasnainrakha57, on 12 April 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

For those who say they are not op please watch this SKIP TO  9:30:

https://youtu.be/6gHzL0J1zNw

 

Any tank with good camo can do that tbh. If he spotted him, pulled 15m behind the bush and fired. He would never spot him. Then again, E3 was not in cover, but in the open. And he was a 1 shot. It's the perfect situation for any tank tbh. It don't prove it's OP. Just shows the perfect situation, for a situational tank. As the E25 is even. As he could do the same thing. If there was no cover in cap or around it to break LOS. The E3 would have wrecked him.



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No.

leggasiini #20 Posted 12 April 2018 - 02:32 PM

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Not OP, but broken and bad for the game. I despise fighting those things with pretty much every tank except arty and FV4005.




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