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Simeon85 #1 Posted 13 April 2018 - 03:16 PM

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https://thedailybounce.net/2018/04/13/world-of-tanks-new-soviet-tier-x-tanks-revelaed/

 

 

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This vehicle was projected as a heavy tank under the name K-91 version II, but in World of Tanks PC the K-91 it will be introduced as a Tier X medium tank for the rear turret medium branch.

K-91 will be a fast vehicle with great targeting parameters with its 1.9 seconds aiming time. The gun accuracy and shell velocity (1,700m/sec) will allow this vehicle to snipe from long distances and with its 276mm of penetration on APRC shells, will make this vehicle extremely effective. But not everything will be good in this tank, with its weak armour, limited gun depression (-5 deg) and limited turret traverse, will make this vehicle peculiar and hard to play.

You can almost guess how the vehicle will play, it will excel as an ambusher, providing fire support from a distance and anyone who tries to brawl with him, it will have a hard time. With 410 meters spotting range and decent camouflage values (slightly worse than Obj430U), will enable this vehicle to spot enemies first. Its mobility is on pair with other Soviet medium tanks, but players will have to try to maximize cover as much as possible, as it will be hard to survive with its weak armour when under enemy fire.

 

Whilst this tank is interesting, it begs the question why the Leopard 1 can't get similar treatment, it has been suggested multiple times giving the Leopard 1 more penetration, accuracy and shell velocity so it is a stand out sniper, but apparently buffing it would make it OP.

 

Yet here we basically have the Russian Leopard 1 with those attributes.

 

Also have to love this bit -

 

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 decent camouflage values (slightly worse than Obj430U)

 

So the paper, rear turreted, long range tank has worse camo than the best brawling medium in the game, because reasons.  This is almost a nod from the devs saying how Op the 430U is, 

 

 

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The true successor of the T-10 heavy tank. Initial reports from untrusted sources were saying Object 777 version 2 would be introduced, but anyone who researches a bit about Soviet heavy armour, and likes World of Tanks, knew straight away the tank didn’t fit the branch play style and it was never designed as a T-10 successor.

Object 277 is a heavy assault tank that combines mobility with protection. As a true successor to the T-10, Object 277 builds on its strong sides, having better aiming time, damage per minute and armour penetration values. With more hitpoints and a higher alpha damage, the is truly an improved version of the T-10.

The vehicle armour isn’t the strongest among Soviet heavy tanks, but its strong enough to deal with almost any enemy tank. Its hull armour will be 140mm thick, which will increase due to the 60-70º slipe on the glacis plate, 138-170mm at 45-55º at the lower front plate, 112mm at its sides and 50 mm on the rear. But what it excels is its turret with an impressive 290 / 224 / 80 mm of armour.

Just like the T-10, Object 277 will play as a heavy/medium hybrid,  well suited for countering the enemy at the frontline while tanking key positions. Due to its agility, the tank will enable players to play both aggressively, switch flanks and even change approach and switch a defensive play. Object 277 will keep its progenitor’s performance-impairing weaknesses too: mediocre gun depression with -5.5º, making it very difficult for productive terrain-based play.

 

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 The vehicle armour isn’t the strongest among Soviet heavy tanks, but its strong enough to deal with almost any enemy tank. Its hull armour will be 140mm thick,

 

I feel this basically says it's no as OP as the 268v4 but don't worry it's still better than anything non-Russian. 

 

 

 



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View PostSimeon85, on 13 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

Whilst this tank is interesting, it begs the question why the Leopard 1 can't get similar treatment, it has been suggested multiple times giving the Leopard 1 more penetration, accuracy and shell velocity so it is a stand out sniper, but apparently buffing it would make it OP.

 

Yet here we basically have the Russian Leopard 1 with those attributes.

 

But Leo has fully traversable turret, 390 alpha and more than 5° of gun depression (K-91 has a 100mm gun in Blitz, so almost certainly 320 alpha on PC). Also no info yet about ROF, premium ammo or dispersion stats, so remains to be seen how much a sniper the K-91 will be in practice, and if the armor will be closer to 416, STG or 430-II.

 

View PostSimeon85, on 13 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

So the paper, rear turreted, long range tank has worse camo than the best brawling medium in the game, because reasons.  This is almost a nod from the devs saying how Op the 430U is,

 

While 430U camo might be a bit too good for its armor, this thing gets 410m viewrange. Now depending on how good the gun, armor and mobility will be, that could give the T100 a real run for its money if it also gets great camo values.

 

View PostSimeon85, on 13 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

I feel this basically says it's no as OP as the 268v4 but don't worry it's still better than anything non-Russian.

 

I'll wait for the actual armor model to judge. By description, tank seems to be a bit better armored than the 5A but might have slightly less DPM and worse gun-handling (5.5° gun depression is rather lackluster these days). So probably strong, but not OP in the current balancing mess.



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So K-91 will be a tier 10 version of the Obj-416 rather than a tier 10 version of the Obj-430-II.

And the 277 will be a Russian version of the WZ111-5A unless they give it 550/560 alpha.

HundeWurst #4 Posted 13 April 2018 - 03:54 PM

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Oh look, roughly a year after the last introduction of new tier 10 Soviet tanks the next bunch arrives, most likely even more OP that the ones we got right now.

 

WG: "We smart!"



ortega456 #5 Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:25 PM

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But why wait till 2019??? They seem ready except for some balancing.

teroguy #6 Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:37 PM

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ye idk whats with 2019, none said that

Element6 #7 Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:39 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 13 April 2018 - 03:54 PM, said:

Oh look, roughly a year after the last introduction of new tier 10 Soviet tanks the next bunch arrives, most likely even more OP that the ones we got right now.

 

WG: "We smart!"

While RU already has the most T10 and will increase the lead on Germany even more with these, the German tree will still be the larges one in total even after these tanks are introduced. Considering T10 being the least played tier that is actually impressive on WGs part seeing as most of their customers spend most of their time in T6 and below. 



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View Postteroguy, on 13 April 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

ye idk whats with 2019, none said that

 

https://thearmoredpa...anks-postponed/

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View PostSfinski, on 13 April 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

I've read the postponment too, but it doesn't seem realistical if they already put the vehicles on supertest. Usually it takes 1-3 patches after that.

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Love the 416, hate the Obj 430 II. So if it's anything close like that one. I suspect the K-91 won't be for me. Tho I'll wait until I see all the stats. 277 seems to be more my style tho.

Dava_117 #11 Posted 13 April 2018 - 05:11 PM

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Yeh... more powercreep! Hope WG will think something really special for IS-4 line, knowing that the tank that should be the most armoured soviet T10, get outarmoured by an heavyum... :/

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Well, I'm glad to see I didn't save 200k xp on my T-10 for nothing. Not that it was a horrible grind, but I hoped we would get the 277 from the start. Wanted that tank in game from the first moment I laid my eyes on it, and with T-10 gameplay on steroids it's exactly my style. WG did the right thing not going for the completely uninteresting (but available from the shelf) Object 777. 

 

About the K-91, meh. It's ugly and not too interesting. Which is good, because I wasn't looking for an excuse to play the utterly dreadful 430 V2 again. 



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2 things scratching my eye here...

1. PENETRATION WHAT THE ACTUAL FUDGE? Before i was kinda skeptical about powercreep and things but once again what are these pens? What an actual fudge? 265 pen on obj 277...Now compare that to IS7 (250) or even worse E100 (246)...............The hell? on K91 also way to big...276????? REALLY? Some tier X TDs can envy for this tank for this pen.........Once again compare to other mediums obj 140 (264pen) leopard & cent AX (268pen) etc etc.Not a single medium has over 270...Once again try of powercreep or wtf?

2.Shell velocity on K91....1700??? Dafuq?

ihateclowns #14 Posted 13 April 2018 - 07:27 PM

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WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OP RUSSIANS WAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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To early to say anything.
Though the 410 viewrange is ridiculous.
T10 light get 390-400.
T10 medium get 410.
Because lights are supposed to spot, right?

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Damn that K91 is butt-ugly.

Liking the 277 though, definitely looks the part of a T10 successor.



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Hope the k-91 will be similar to the obj 430 2, seems to be a werid tank with its current stats since it can't really sit and snipe.

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If you think O277 will have worse armor then WZ 5a think again. 

140 mm upper plate under 60 to 70 degree angle, from 138 to 170 lower plate at 55 degree. Turret front 290, side over 223, rear 80. That is way better armor then WZ 5a and IS 4, from front. 

Plus gun, on test server, 265 AP pen, 350 HEAT. mobility of MT, firepower of HT. Hey, he will be as balanced as 268V4 is now. 

New MT is more powercreep, 1700 m\s shell velocity, 1.9 sec aim time, 276 mm pen, more then E50m, armor better then E50m ofc. Most map are flatter so GUN dep wont be a problem. 

New year or faster, more powercreep. 

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View Postares354, on 13 April 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:



New MT is more powercreep, 1700 m\s shell velocity, 1.9 sec aim time, 276 mm pen, more then E50m, armor better then E50m ofc. Most map are flatter so GUN dep wont be a problem. 
 

What makes you say that it has better armor than the E50M? That's not what I got from the description at all.



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And I'm just about to start phasing out Soviet tanks....




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