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268v4 OP nerf armour overpowered object rebalance

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SirGruut #1 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:08 PM

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As we all know the object 268v4 is currently in a pretty broken state and it needs to be changed. The issue is that changing the tank properly will take multiple iterations on the supertest which will likely take a few months. The tank is however in such a bad state that waiting for a few months is unacceptable.

 

My idea was therefor to give the object 268v4 a temporary nerf: reduce the hull armour to about 200-230mm effective. This can be done quickly and will severly reduce the capabilities of the tank giving time for the balance department to do their jobs properly. It might make the tank underpowered but that is probably a lot better then a broken one.


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TheOddRogue #2 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:27 PM

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Agreed

 



VarzA #3 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:34 PM

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Yeah .... i totally see this being done.

 

A nerf that will make it underpowered, so that suffering through SU-101's grind at t8, and 263's grind at t9 (with the more innacurate gun now, and being open topped with more arty on the field post 1.0), will not make sense.

Why .... who needs their players to buy gold, to use free xp to get the new fotm before it gets nerfed, when you can just survive on the love of the playerbase. :)



XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:38 PM

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So you want to nerf the armor temporarily until the supertester and the developers do their job balancing this tank. Also you predict it might be overpowered. Then why leave it in the tech tree to begin with??? You want it out then nerfed, how cool of you! :)

Mr_Beefy #5 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:39 PM

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The main issue from my perspective is this.

Prior to the switch of the Obj263 to the Obj268v4, CW/SH/Advances/Randoms saw very few if any Obj263's.  The 263 was a specialist TD, that took some skill to make work, and in CW/SH/Advances was very map specific.

Now, there is no such thing as suiting up for CW/SH/Advances and the FC not calling for at least 3-4 268v4's if not more.

 

This indicates 1 undeniable fact.  The 268v4 is seriously OP, 99.99% broken frontally.  WG dropped the ball here big time.  I wonder if they have the marbles to admit they were wrong and roll back the change.



Sfinski #6 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:42 PM

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WG does not care.

ares354 #7 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:45 PM

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No nerf people, this tank should go to tier 9 with his historical planned armor, that is 160 to 180 front. Bring back 263 on tier 10 with some buffs. 

SlyMeerkat #8 Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:54 PM

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I am finding these things to be worse then arty and ive never had an issue with arty in the first place, they are a serious pain in arse and makes me think twice before doing anything when i see them in places that i was heading to and completely throws my game sometimes 

Enforcer1975 #9 Posted 14 April 2018 - 02:06 PM

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Armor wouldn't be a problem if it followed the trinity of the tank meaning if it has to have the armor and the gun it has to lose a lot of mobilty in exchange.

Balc0ra #10 Posted 14 April 2018 - 02:27 PM

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Temp nerf on the armor won't help when half the tier 8's and 9 still can't pen it when it uses it's effective armor on the slope, and it's more mobile then them even. . Cupola and a heavy mobility nerf is what it needs for a temp nerf tbh.

Capus #11 Posted 14 April 2018 - 02:43 PM

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Well, for WG it's a perfect tank. So OP that enough douches, sorry, i mean ppl are willing to grind for it, and having some awfull tanks before it in the tech tree ensures that plenty of ppl will be spending real money to get the grind over more quickly.

 

So eventhough the tank is a problem, the worst problem is the mentality among a subsection of the playerbase that just wants to drive around in an OP tank. So if I were you guys, i'd just report anyone who is playing it. A tank that nobody plays is no problem no matter how OP it is. And as it's pretty obvious how OP this thing is, anyone playing it is playing it mainly for this reason. Therefor they are actively contributing to ruining the gameplay.

 

I would think that intentionaly playing a super OP tank is almost the definition of unsportsmanlike behaviour. It's pretty similar to an athlete doping up before a race.

 

So no nerf is incoming, it's going to go the same way as the good old waffeltrager, They'll deny that it's OP, then they'll say it takes a lot of time to balance it, and then they'll do some inconsequential nerfs to stats that don't rly matter too much, like 'nerfing' it's aimtime with 0.1 second. Then they'll pretend they did something, and a long time later they'll either balance it or remove it. And when will that be? It will come at the moment that WG notices that the tank is no longer making them lots of money by ppl converting XP. And it won't come a second sooner. But don't worry, it won't take WG long to invent another tank that is super OP to repeat the cycle.

 

When it comes to WG, always keep their financial interests in the back of your head, as this is the only thing that drives them, they do not want a balanced game, a balanced game gets them a lot less money.


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IncandescentGerbil #12 Posted 14 April 2018 - 03:11 PM

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As long as this thing remains top of tree it won't get nerfed. Don't forget this forum is a very small subset of an insignificant server (profitable, but hell, we are not Russian). Our opinions count for nothing.

Balc0ra #13 Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:23 PM

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View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 14 April 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

As long as this thing remains top of tree it won't get nerfed. Don't forget this forum is a very small subset of an insignificant server (profitable, but hell, we are not Russian). Our opinions count for nothing.

 

Well the main issue is that the tank population is to low for any solid proof as to how much it actually needs in terms of a nerf. As it's still the least played tier X on all servers. And like CW tanks, mostly played by good players atm. As most are still on the tier 8 and 9 to get to the hype wagon in time. As I can count on one hand how many bad players I've seen in it.

 

And if it still don't go down when they get to it, you know it needs a bigger nerf. And it's the server WR on RU that counts more indeed more so then our option etc. As that's why the IS-3 got the magical side armor buff, as it was the worst tier 8 on RU in terms of WR "43%". And why the RU tier 8 meds have been buffed 3 out the last 5 patches. As they still do terrible on RU.

 

 



IncandescentGerbil #14 Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:53 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 April 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

 

Well the main issue is that the tank population is to low for any solid proof as to how much it actually needs in terms of a nerf. As it's still the least played tier X on all servers. And like CW tanks, mostly played by good players atm. As most are still on the tier 8 and 9 to get to the hype wagon in time. As I can count on one hand how many bad players I've seen in it.

 

And if it still don't go down when they get to it, you know it needs a bigger nerf. And it's the server WR on RU that counts more indeed more so then our option etc. As that's why the IS-3 got the magical side armor buff, as it was the worst tier 8 on RU in terms of WR "43%". And why the RU tier 8 meds have been buffed 3 out the last 5 patches. As they still do terrible on RU.

 

 

This is different to my experience. I've seen as many bad players in it as good, and they perform similarly. Which is surely the problem with it.



LCpl_Jones #15 Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:19 PM

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WG knew exactly what they were doing, it's all about the money....

 

 



Procjon #16 Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:41 PM

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Playing this game for many years i can say that Obj. 268 4 is the first tank i see that you can press Forward and go through enemy flank like a knife through the butter not taking any damage.

 

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N0ctis_ #17 Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:48 PM

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 What u sayng bruh 

268v4 is totally balanced  

He reach med spot faster then my E50M,turn faster and has more armor then a heavy but its ok

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LCpl_Jones #18 Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:12 PM

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View PostN0ctis_, on 14 April 2018 - 06:48 PM, said:

 What u sayng bruh 

268v4 is totally balanced  

He reach med spot faster then my E50M,turn faster and has more armor then a heavy but its ok

 

so needs a view range buff ? :trollface:

XxKuzkina_MatxX #19 Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:41 PM

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View PostLCpl_Jones, on 14 April 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

 

so needs a view range buff ? :trollface:

 

DPM buff would be epic but i'll take the view range :)

CptBarney #20 Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:44 PM

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wish they would split it off and nerf it and put the obj 263 back at tier 10 but oh well.

 

although once more players hit the tank the stats might level out (i guess, it will have a better winrate here probably more than the maus)







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