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Kirtiklis #1 Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:49 PM

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VK 72.01K  -  nerfed lower plate from 230mm to 180mm. What does it is mean? Huge weak spot, like straight hull - 170-203 eff, angled - around 230 eff. Even less than e100 (260-280),  They removed side weak spot, but gave enormous weak front lower plate.

 

https://tanks.gg/v10...s-7&cv=v10010ct

 

Sure, super heavy with butter lower plate, why? Because it is good  German heavy tank, so need nerf... 

 

 

Ivan: Igor, my obj 140 cant pen vk 72.01k   lower plate ...

Igor: dont worry comrade, next patch we will nerf to the oblivion.

Ivan: good, now my t8 soviets can pen from front. 

 

 

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View PostKirtiklis, on 14 April 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

VK 72.01K  -  nerfed lower plate from 230mm to 180mm. What does it is mean? Huge weak spot, like straight hull - 170-203 eff, angled - around 230 eff. Even less than e100 (260-280),  They removed side weak spot, but gave enormous weak front lower plate.

 

https://tanks.gg/v10...s-7&cv=v10010ct

 

Sure, super heavy with butter lower plate, why? Because it is good  German heavy tank, so need nerf... 

 

 

Ivan: Igor, my obj 140 cant pen vk 72.01k   lower plate ...

Igor: dont worry comrade, next patch we will nerf to the oblivion.

Ivan: good, now my t8 soviets can pen from front. 

 

 

Sorry for Bad EN.

 

 

 

That'd be a HUGE mistake. It is ok how it is. Nothing special, not overperforming, just ok. Why make it so much worse?

unrealname #3 Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:21 PM

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no changes to Pz 7 though

CptBarney #4 Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:47 PM

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hope they dont nerf the other one in the tech tree.

 

doesn't seem much of a problem with the obvious weakspots.



Ricky_Rolls #5 Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:53 PM

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So a tank that has basically no weakspot when sidesraping while having a 340 pen heat with 750 alpha is considered bad? LMFAO

Kirtiklis #6 Posted 14 April 2018 - 08:44 PM

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View PostRicky_Rolls, on 14 April 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

So a tank that has basically no weakspot when sidesraping while having a 340 pen heat with 750 alpha is considered bad? LMFAO

 

Cupola, gun mantlet, side weakspot - whats why this tank cant sidescrape.

BonjiOrongji #7 Posted 14 April 2018 - 08:59 PM

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View PostRicky_Rolls, on 14 April 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

So a tank that has basically no weakspot when sidesraping while having a 340 pen heat with 750 alpha is considered bad? LMFAO

 

yeah... just wrong

 

sidescraping in that thing just shows one of your weakspot perfectly ... you can not sidescrape in this thing .... that is why the lower plate is fine as it is



soul3ater #8 Posted 14 April 2018 - 09:01 PM

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good.

 

now do the same with 907.



SpartA_1ah1 #9 Posted 14 April 2018 - 09:55 PM

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View PostKirtiklis, on 14 April 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

VK 72.01K  -  nerfed lower plate from 230mm to 180mm. What does it is mean? Huge weak spot, like straight hull - 170-203 eff, angled - around 230 eff. Even less than e100 (260-280),  They removed side weak spot, but gave enormous weak front lower plate.

 

https://tanks.gg/v10...s-7&cv=v10010ct

 

Sure, super heavy with butter lower plate, why? Because it is good  German heavy tank, so need nerf... 

 

 

Ivan: Igor, my obj 140 cant pen vk 72.01k   lower plate ...

Igor: dont worry comrade, next patch we will nerf to the oblivion.

Ivan: good, now my t8 soviets can pen from front. 

 

 

Sorry for Bad EN.

 

 

 

so you want strong front armor and strong side armor ,

WTF these people


Edited by 1ah1ksa, 14 April 2018 - 09:55 PM.


HaZardeur #10 Posted 14 April 2018 - 09:56 PM

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Its not Russian... enough of explanation ?

Panzerfighter_ #11 Posted 14 April 2018 - 10:47 PM

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This is a joke right?

Cobra6 #12 Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:52 AM

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Probably a bug in the armour model I'd say, unless some of the balancing staff at Wargaming fell really hard on their heads recently....

 

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UrQuan #13 Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:02 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 15 April 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

Probably a bug in the armour model I'd say, unless some of the balancing staff at Wargaming fell really hard on their heads recently....

 

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Aye, I suspect it's this. Check the armor model & you notice something is really off:

Main things that pop out:

 - Front armor mid strip is weak, especially considering it's supposed to have good frontal armor. LFP is weak too for a frontal armored tank (but not too crazy bad, that LFP is actually the least of the issues here tbh)

- The turret base ring armor is an uniform 300 armor, including the rear (yes, rear is stronger then front, something's iffy here!)

- It has strips of 0 armor on the turret which behave weird: AP goes through fine, but HEAT doesn't. The PzKpf VII does not have these strips. I suspect they tested some new armor mechanic that stops HEAT shells.

- The kicker: It has actual HOLES for armor (yes we joke that the IS tanks got black holes for side armor, this tank tho? has it for real now!) Check the open space triangles & you'll notice that despite it having 120mm armor there, you cannot penetrate it with any gun for damage: JPE-100 420 HEAT vs the 120mm Black Hole armor: *no damage*. That's some crazy Germanium armor there... Stalinium is kiddies play compared to that...

 

So yes, someone bugged the armor schedule for this tank at WG, because I'm darn sure it's not supposed to be like that...


Edited by UrQuan, 15 April 2018 - 11:07 AM.


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View PostUrQuan, on 15 April 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

 

- The kicker: It has actual HOLES for armor (yes we joke that the IS tanks got black holes for side armor, this tank tho? has it for real now!) Check the open space triangles & you'll notice that despite it having 120mm armor there, you cannot penetrate it with any gun for damage: JPE-100 420 HEAT vs the 120mm Black Hole armor: *no damage*. 

It's spaced armour with no hull armour behind it, clearly a mistake along with the 0 armour strips where the dreadlocks are round the turret.



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View PostKirtiklis, on 14 April 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

 

Cupola, gun mantlet, side weakspot - whats why this tank cant sidescrape.

 

I'm talking about the ravamped version... The cupola is barely visible and almost immunne and pretty much nobody knows about the gun mantlet.

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ahh ok so that must be published next to the Obj 268 v4 nerfs then surely?

 



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View PostRicky_Rolls, on 15 April 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

I'm talking about the ravamped version... The cupola is barely visible and almost immunne and pretty much nobody knows about the gun mantlet.

 

Until our lord and saviour QB does a video on it that is ;)

 

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kittens (tanks.gg guy) has said himself that the models are bugged. He can't read the new format introduced with 1.0 (and WG doesn't seem interested in helping) so these are all old models with the section values of the new patch, so if something changes the models glitch out. Thats also why theres no italian models.

VarzA #19 Posted 15 April 2018 - 09:05 PM

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View PostKirtiklis, on 14 April 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

VK 72.01K  -  nerfed lower plate from 230mm to 180mm. What does it is mean? Huge weak spot, like straight hull - 170-203 eff, angled - around 230 eff. Even less than e100 (260-280),  They removed side weak spot, but gave enormous weak front lower plate.

 

https://tanks.gg/v10...s-7&cv=v10010ct

 

Sure, super heavy with butter lower plate, why? Because it is good  German heavy tank, so need nerf... 

 

 

Ivan: Igor, my obj 140 cant pen vk 72.01k   lower plate ...

Igor: dont worry comrade, next patch we will nerf to the oblivion.

Ivan: good, now my t8 soviets can pen from front. 

 

 

Sorry for Bad EN.

 

 

 

Check the turret, around the gun. :)

Homer_J #20 Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:41 AM

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View Postbreeeze, on 15 April 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

kittens (tanks.gg guy) has said himself that the models are bugged. He can't read the new format introduced with 1.0 (and WG doesn't seem interested in helping) so these are all old models with the section values of the new patch, so if something changes the models glitch out. Thats also why theres no italian models.

 

Makes sense.

 

If WG are deliberately trying to hide stuff again though it will backfire on them again because people take sites like tanks.gg to be gospel.






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