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mollethepro #21 Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:32 AM

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YES, AND THEY WILL SERTAINLY NOT DO THIS TO 705 A BECAUSE ITS RUSSIAN, MAKES SENCE RIGHT???

Homer_J #22 Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:34 AM

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View Postmollethepro, on 16 April 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

YES, AND THEY WILL SERTAINLY NOT DO THIS TO 705 A BECAUSE ITS RUSSIAN, MAKES SENCE RIGHT???

 

While you were bashing out your rant in all caps you missed the tiny point that they didn't do it to the VK, it's just that tanks.gg can't read the new models correctly.

Edited by Homer_J, 16 April 2018 - 11:34 AM.


PervyPastryPuffer #23 Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:44 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 15 April 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

Probably a bug in the armour model I'd say, unless some of the balancing staff at Wargaming fell really hard on their heads recently....

 

Cobra 6

 

View PostUrQuan, on 15 April 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

Aye, I suspect it's this. Check the armor model & you notice something is really off:

Main things that pop out:

 - Front armor mid strip is weak, especially considering it's supposed to have good frontal armor. LFP is weak too for a frontal armored tank (but not too crazy bad, that LFP is actually the least of the issues here tbh)

- The turret base ring armor is an uniform 300 armor, including the rear (yes, rear is stronger then front, something's iffy here!)

- It has strips of 0 armor on the turret which behave weird: AP goes through fine, but HEAT doesn't. The PzKpf VII does not have these strips. I suspect they tested some new armor mechanic that stops HEAT shells.

- The kicker: It has actual HOLES for armor (yes we joke that the IS tanks got black holes for side armor, this tank tho? has it for real now!) Check the open space triangles & you'll notice that despite it having 120mm armor there, you cannot penetrate it with any gun for damage: JPE-100 420 HEAT vs the 120mm Black Hole armor: *no damage*. That's some crazy Germanium armor there... Stalinium is kiddies play compared to that...

 

So yes, someone bugged the armor schedule for this tank at WG, because I'm darn sure it's not supposed to be like that...

 

Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but I'm afraid the frontal armor nerf was very intentional... the tank will be impenetrable when sidescraping with that new armor model, therefore, having the old armor on the lower plate would just make it a new obj 268 4... Think about it for a second, it looks like they're completely changing the playstyle of the tank, instead of poking out with the front, your only strongpoint will be sidescraping, as it's a rear-turreted tank, it's what it's supposed to be best at, poking out with the front with a rear-turreted tank just doesn't feel right.

Igor_BL #24 Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:46 AM

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I would rather face the old/current VK72, then this new/proposed.
 

soul3ater #25 Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:57 AM

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View PostRicky_Rolls, on 15 April 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

 

I'm talking about the ravamped version... The cupola is barely visible and almost immunne and pretty much nobody knows about the gun mantlet.

 

The gun mantlet is the reason I stopped playing my pz 7. holy s**t what a joke.

 

haha "superheavy" hahahaha


Edited by soul3ater, 16 April 2018 - 12:00 PM.


Kirtiklis #26 Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:01 PM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 16 April 2018 - 10:44 AM, said:

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but I'm afraid the frontal armor nerf was very intentional... the tank will be impenetrable when sidescraping with that new armor model, therefore, having the old armor on the lower plate would just make it a new obj 268 4... Think about it for a second, it looks like they're completely changing the playstyle of the tank, instead of poking out with the front, your only strongpoint will be sidescraping, as it's a rear-turreted tank, it's what it's supposed to be best at, poking out with the front with a rear-turreted tank just doesn't feel right.

 

 obj705A  says hello, then sidescrape - 0 weak wekapoints, vk - still have mantlet and cupola weakpoints.

 

I hope it is tanks.gg bug. Otherwise......



brumbarr #27 Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:02 PM

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Downloading the testserver now, anyone can shoot me in a trainingroom?

trispect #28 Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:48 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 April 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

Downloading the testserver now, anyone can shoot me in a trainingroom?

 

I can come today in the evening. I have also the VK72 if you like to shoot it yourself.

soul3ater #29 Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:02 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 April 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

Downloading the testserver now, anyone can shoot me in a trainingroom?

 

im on now if you still want to test.

brumbarr #30 Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:04 PM

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View Posttrispect, on 16 April 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

 

I can come today in the evening. I have also the VK72 if you like to shoot it yourself.

 

msg me on the live server if you are avaible

 

 

View Postsoul3ater, on 16 April 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

 

im on now if you still want to test.

 

still on? ill message you on the test server
 
 

just tested it on the test server.

As far as we could tell, no significant changes to the armor model.

THe lowerplate unangled bounced  3/6 shells, so still the same.  The gun mantlet weakspot is still there aswell as the side armor weakspot.

 

My guess is the only change is that the tracklinks now counts as extra armor.

 


 

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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 April 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

 

msg me on the live server if you are avaible

 

 

 

still on? ill message you on the test server
 
 

just tested it on the test server.

As far as we could tell, no significant changes to the armor model.

THe lowerplate unangled bounced  3/6 shells, so still the same.  The gun mantlet weakspot is still there aswell as the side armor weakspot.

 

My guess is the only change is that the tracklinks now counts as extra armor.

 


 

 

So you say tank dont ger nerf to flate plate and lower plate but did get buff to side armor ? 

shikaka9 #32 Posted 22 April 2018 - 03:21 PM

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nobody plays it anyway, right .. didn't see it this year

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View Postshikaka9, on 22 April 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

nobody plays it anyway, right .. didn't see it this year

 

Well I did. But its not about that. 

This tank have same hull as PZ7. If WG gonna "buff" that tank same way, tier 10 will have weaker lower plate then tier 9, and more weakspot on turret front. Why should I keep tier 10 over tier 9 then. For crapDPM, potato gun and tons of weakspot. 

Better go for 705A, he's turret have 0 weakspot, and when sidescrape he just need to watch out to not overangle. 

Kruppstahl_____KamiKatze #34 Posted 22 April 2018 - 03:31 PM

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Hello from germany thx for nerf vk 72 the tank is so op  :facepalm:the  Obj. 268 4 is so low need a buff   152 mm gun 293 Pen, no penetrate front, Speed of Light Tank   :child:vk 72 need one more  nerf  pen 189 mm deal? Or teliad 25 sec.?

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View Postares354, on 22 April 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

So you say tank dont ger nerf to flate plate and lower plate but did get buff to side armor ? 

 

it didnt get nerfed, it just got some tracks added that count as armor on the side.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 22 April 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

 

it didnt get nerfed, it just got some tracks added that count as armor on the side.

 

So no buff to side armor of nerf to front armor and tanks.gg is bugged. Only track are armor. 

I dont have VK 72 so I dont care, but I care if WG will change that tank hull, PZ 7 share same after all.  

paolotk #37 Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:45 PM

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The side is more bugged now, i could ammorack the vk easyly using standard apcr of medium tank. Vk72blowUP.01 and now frontale armor nerfed too...

ortega456 #38 Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:15 PM

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So it is confirmed that tanks.gg has a wrong VK72.01 armor model and the old strong  lfp is still in place while having that side weakspot?

 

I couldn't realiably test it because people were shooting HEAT on the lfp all the time...Any official statement here or is the whole uproar because wrong tanks.gg models?






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