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Gatix #1 Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:36 AM

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Hello!

 

I wonder if this is only me or even others sweat when have fight against the soviet tanks? When you play with any nation except the U.S.S.R? I'm most playing with american tanks, but never had with any other nation problem except the U.S.S.R tanks. Magic armor no pen way too often trying shot side -  still no pen :justwait:?? While they move and shot they hit me - :facepalm: Mainly 9 -10 tier. MT, HT with OP speed, slope armor, some of them no weak spot on turret and balance "accuracy" when most fights in 50-150 m. distance. Don't want even speak about Obj 268 v 4 and Obj 430U.... If there is chance to pick target, I better go for "OP" Type 5 or Maus than any U.S.S.R tank...

And asking in general, if you are "soviet bias" move to other topic troll...:P

 

Also if you got any good tip how to deal with them, write down.

 



SABAOTH #2 Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:50 AM

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No, is not only you, but is not so big of an issue.

 

However this is a new and interesting post. :girl:



IncandescentGerbil #3 Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:53 AM

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Half (more than half?) the Russian high tier tanks in this game are objects, which never made series production. WG logic is to make the virtual versions of these undeveloped  prototypes better than any Western tanks that saw actual service. It's how they appeal to their principal audience. It's all bulledited, but the truth of it is that, in general (there will always be exceptions) fictional Russian tanks will perform best in the game, and to hell with history.

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View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 15 April 2018 - 02:53 AM, said:

Half (more than half?) the Russian high tier tanks in this game are objects, which never made series production. WG logic is to make the virtual versions of these undeveloped prototypes better than any Western tanks that saw actual service. It's how they appeal to their principal audience. It's all bulledited, but the truth of it is that, in general (there will always be exceptions) fictional Russian tanks will perform best in the game, and to hell with history.

 

History or no, but this is game, they should balance it bit more. But one thing is right, most problems I face with Obj series. Those is really pain in [edited].

Browarszky #5 Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:43 AM

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Where can I get these magical Soviet tanks? The one's I got have very bad guns, and are mostly very easily penned and destroyed unless I manage to stay mostly hidden and avoid the traffic. On most maps that is fairly hard to achieve...

 

EDIT: What about those Japanese tanks? I can easily see those being used in the type of jungle warfare/island hopping the Japanese campaigns were all about.


Edited by Browarszky, 15 April 2018 - 11:46 AM.


vcristi #6 Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:53 AM

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You are not the only one struggling to fight against soviet tanks.

These guys tried the same thing some 70 years ago, ended in a disaster for them......

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 



vcristi #7 Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:07 PM

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View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 14 April 2018 - 11:53 PM, said:

Half (more than half?) the Russian high tier tanks in this game are objects, which never made series production. WG logic is to make the virtual versions of these undeveloped prototypes better than any Western tanks that saw actual service. It's how they appeal to their principal audience. It's all bulledited, but the truth of it is that, in general (there will always be exceptions) fictional Russian tanks will perform best in the game, and to hell with history.

 

We have already a lot of western modern tanks in game made in 60's or even 70's:

Leopard 1 produced 1965-1984 https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Leopard_1

STRV 103 produced 1967-1971 https://en.wikipedia.../Stridsvagn_103

AMX-30 in service from 1960 until the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-30

 

And a LOT of western prototypes that were never mass produced but they are in game.

And the fantasy japanese heavy line that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality and most probably is a WG project rather than a japanese project..

 

You are sure you want the soviet tanks that were mass produced? You may get T64, a nice tank that has the first smoothbore gun in the world and can also shoot rockets...

T64 in service from 1964 until the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-64

 

 



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View Postvcristi, on 15 April 2018 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

We have already a lot of western modern tanks in game made in 60's or even 70's:

Leopard 1 produced 1965-1984 https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Leopard_1

STRV 103 produced 1967-1971 https://en.wikipedia.../Stridsvagn_103

AMX-30 in service from 1960 until the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-30

 

And a LOT of western prototypes that were never mass produced but they are in game.

And the fantasy japanese heavy line that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality and most probably is a WG project rather than a japanese project..

 

You are sure you want the soviet tanks that were mass produced? You may get T64, a nice tank that has the first smoothbore gun in the world and can also shoot rockets...

T64 in service from 1964 until the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-64

 

 

I get it; you are into the Russia thing. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.



Nethraniel #9 Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:09 PM

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View Postvcristi, on 15 April 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

You are not the only one struggling to fight against soviet tanks.

These guys tried the same thing some 70 years ago, ended in a disaster for them......

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

You are right, that the German Wehrmacht lost against the Red Army.

 

However, they did not lose primarily because of the quality of the Soviet tanks (which were later T-34, T-34-85, SU-100, SU-152, and IS tanks), but the overwhelming numbers of man, artillery, and tanks. The Wehrmacht just hadn't the supply in equipment, weapons and ammunition needed to stop the Red Army.

 

So please be so kind, and do not insist the Wehrmacht lost due to the superior tank designs of the Soviets, especially not the ones we are discussing here.



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View PostGatix, on 15 April 2018 - 12:36 AM, said:

 

Also if you got any good tip how to deal with them, write down.

 

It's all about geometry.



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View Postvcristi, on 15 April 2018 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

We have already a lot of western modern tanks in game made in 60's or even 70's:

Leopard 1 produced 1965-1984 https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Leopard_1

STRV 103 produced 1967-1971 https://en.wikipedia.../Stridsvagn_103

AMX-30 in service from 1960 until the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-30

 

And a LOT of western prototypes that were never mass produced but they are in game.

And the fantasy japanese heavy line that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality and most probably is a WG project rather than a japanese project..

 

You are sure you want the soviet tanks that were mass produced? You may get T64, a nice tank that has the first smoothbore gun in the world and can also shoot rockets...

T64 in service from 1964 until the present day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-64

 

 

 

Two of the most popular German TDs were never made, I believe - the E25 and Skorpion G.

vcristi #12 Posted 15 April 2018 - 07:48 PM

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View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 15 April 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

I get it; you are into the Russia thing. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.

 

So now that you have no more arguments, i am a soviet fanboy.... Sounds legit bro...

I am just tired of people complaining about things not being historical accurate and about russian bias.



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View Postvcristi, on 15 April 2018 - 07:48 PM, said:

 

So now that you have no more arguments, i am a soviet fanboy.... Sounds legit bro...

I am just tired of people complaining about things not being historical accurate and about russian bias.

You may be tired of it, but that doesn't mean its not true. Name a tier where a russian tank isnt one of the best 3?

 

 



IncandescentGerbil #14 Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:38 PM

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View Postvcristi, on 15 April 2018 - 07:48 PM, said:

 

So now that you have no more arguments, i am a soviet fanboy.... Sounds legit bro...

I am just tired of people complaining about things not being historical accurate and about russian bias.

I have plenty more arguments bro. But there is no point airing them. You have your opinions; others have theirs. A man doesn't need to be a genius to work out when an impasse has been reached. A wise man just lets it go. 

 



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russian game  =  russian tonks OP = viktor wants to teach false history to children. 

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It's true. I've managed to roll nearly every light tank I've played and the Russian ones seem to end up on their tracks a lot more often than the others. Obvious Rusha bias is obvious, grrr, etc.

SovietBias #17 Posted 15 April 2018 - 09:23 PM

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I'll get my coat on the way out.

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View PostBrowarszky, on 15 April 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

Where can I get these magical Soviet tanks? The one's I got have very bad guns, and are mostly very easily penned and destroyed unless I manage to stay mostly hidden and avoid the traffic. On most maps that is fairly hard to achieve...

 

EDIT: What about those Japanese tanks? I can easily see those being used in the type of jungle warfare/island hopping the Japanese campaigns were all about.

 

Play your Defender.  Then you'll understand.
 

View PostNethraniel, on 15 April 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

You are right, that the German Wehrmacht lost against the Red Army.

 

However, they did not lose primarily because of the quality of the Soviet tanks (which were later T-34, T-34-85, SU-100, SU-152, and IS tanks), but the overwhelming numbers of man, artillery, and tanks. The Wehrmacht just hadn't the supply in equipment, weapons and ammunition needed to stop the Red Army.

 

So please be so kind, and do not insist the Wehrmacht lost due to the superior tank designs of the Soviets, especially not the ones we are discussing here.

 

IS-2m was better than anything the Germans threw in it's way.
 

So we're back to this constant whining about Soviet tanks being the best.  Twentieth thread this week...   And the same blindingly obvious answer still stands:

 

 

If you think Russian tanks are better than all the others then play Russian tanks!


 

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View PostGatix, on 14 April 2018 - 11:36 PM, said:

Hello!

 

I wonder if this is only me or even others sweat when have fight against the soviet tanks? When you play with any nation except the U.S.S.R? I'm most playing with american tanks, but never had with any other nation problem except the U.S.S.R tanks. Magic armor no pen way too often trying shot side -  still no pen :justwait:?? While they move and shot they hit me - :facepalm: Mainly 9 -10 tier. MT, HT with OP speed, slope armor, some of them no weak spot on turret and balance "accuracy" when most fights in 50-150 m. distance. Don't want even speak about Obj 268 v 4 and Obj 430U.... If there is chance to pick target, I better go for "OP" Type 5 or Maus than any U.S.S.R tank...

And asking in general, if you are "soviet bias" move to other topic troll...:P

 

Also if you got any good tip how to deal with them, write down.

 

 

Yeah they have some good camo patterns.

Gatix #20 Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:49 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 15 April 2018 - 02:52 PM, said:

It's all about geometry.

 

Yes, geometry is tricky, but most of the Soviet tanks are really well angled and you can't even pen them. If I play slow TD, you must spam HE if they don't show lower plate(depends how they show up), because WG reasons. Also about mediums, some of them got reload around 6 second, while TD got more than 13+ seconds. Sounds nice when you take 3 shots and you give back only 1 (Also if you pen). I guess U.S.S.R meta now.

 

Also guys I was in general speaking about game, not about history..







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