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_Saurion_ #1 Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:01 PM

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Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

PervyPastryPuffer #2 Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:05 PM

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What's the point of making tactics when 80% of the time nobody listens...

 

You're right, matchmaking isn't a problem, the players are the problem, i.e. the lack of communication and teamwork, mutual support... The fact some people have chat turned off just makes it worse.



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View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

 

that would correct if a tier 6 med could carry a tier 8 game which it cannot at most have trouble penning tier 8 meds let alone tier 8 heavies so if your bottom tier and your top tiers die in 3 mins doing no damage i will bloody moan at them and suggest they stop playing a tier they do not have the skill for. I try every game to do my best and suggest to less experienced players where they could go to be more impact but 90% of the time they ignore it and die anyway. When people are getting bottom tier 80-90% of the time through the retarded 3 5 7 MM do you still expect people to just accept it? 

Mimos_A #4 Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:34 PM

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View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

 

If it were that easy that would be nice.


It isn't however. Even in a scenario where there's random teamplay other players can be a problem. Few days ago for example. A batchat pinged me to follow him and rush an enemy batchat who was isolated. Fine by me, so I reloaded my 1390, signaled that I was done and in we go. I had more HP so I go in first. The dude continues to miss all his 5 shots. So I just die. All he had to do was hit ONE shot on a batchat 10 meters away from him. That kind of stuff happens all the time. People just letting others die because they don't bother to keep a position. People sitting back and camping all game when one single tank being active could make the difference. People yolo'ing a flank when half a glance at the minimap reveals they are alone.


And we all make mistakes and that's fine. However, there are players who make so many mistakes and do so much dumb stuff consistently that it actively ruins gameplay for others. While you can't force them to do anything, it would be better for everybody if they'd just go play some single player games. If I'm bottom tier to some powerdonkey who's derping around in his favourite tier 10 heavy and decides it's cool to die doing 0 damage or camp the base, I can get a bit disgruntled.


Edited by Mimos_A, 15 April 2018 - 02:35 PM.


Artick_ #5 Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:40 PM

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Usually people rush to tier  X tanks eventough they dont know to flank/block/trade shots. They dont think "should i ...?" , they go full yollo salamy , die , and let the other teamates to carry their game , while they play another 3-4 games in that time, and History repeats

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View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

 

Yeah MM is not a problem, WG is the problem, matching stock tanks against elite ones, Meds against Heavies, Bots against unicums.

Explain to me how is it fair to have something like a stock ST-I(175mm pen as T9) in your team one of 3 Toptiers, against a elite T9, it gets even worse, what if the enemy team has a derp Type 4, against your stock ST-I who can't pen the Type 4 even with gold and what if your team is full of idiots who refuse to shot gold even if they are bottom tier and they really need it to help the team. Campers, cheapskates, stock tanks thats what loses the battle.

 

I don't mind losing battles when i'am grinding credits(thats also wrong you cant think only about yourself in a teamgame), but if iam grinding exp and have to play with the worst gun ever (or pay 10€ worth of gold to free exp the topgun) then it prolongs the grind and makes it frustrating for me and my teammates, because i could need to play stock for hundreds of battles(without premium acc.) and be allways a heavy weight that pulls the team down(like a T6 heavy tank in a Tier 10 battle).

Yes its freaking WGs fault that we lose 0:15, they have crap for brain to earn money by killing the fun and frustrating their customers.

 
 

Edited by Dis4ster, 15 April 2018 - 02:47 PM.


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View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

 

 

You can't make a good matchmaking without taking player skills into account. What outcome do you expect in a football match if you have a Premier league team (series 1) play against a national league team (series 5)?.

I don't belive that just better commincation would fix anything - It would be nice though.



WindSplitter1 #8 Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:40 PM

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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 15 April 2018 - 01:05 PM, said:

What's the point of making tactics when 80% of the time nobody listens...

 

You're right, matchmaking isn't a problem, the players are the problem, i.e. the lack of communication and teamwork, mutual support... The fact some people have chat turned off just makes it worse.

 

There are too many incentives to play in a greedy selfish manner.

That's why Teamwork isn't something you find in WoT, unless in CW/SH, etc-



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View PostStiophan, on 15 April 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

 

 

You can't make a good matchmaking without taking player skills into account. What outcome do you expect in a football match if you have a Premier league team (series 1) play against a national league team (series 5)?.

I don't belive that just better commincation would fix anything - It would be nice though.

 

But if you took those 22 players and mixed them up, would that even the playing field? 1 team would have a PL goalkeeper and the other a NL keeper, etc. There would be imbalance all over the field. Thats why soccer teams make a bad analogy. Like having equal skills in the team, but 1 with purple top tier and the other with purple bottom tier. 

 

Unless there are enough players in the queue to match skill, tier, and tank type, all the way through, for every battle, there will never be a perfect (or close to perfect) MM. There might be enough to make 1 battle, but the chances are, most player in the queue would end up waiting for longer and longer to get in a battle and thus the forum would be flooded with "WG sort your MM, I had to wait 5 mins for a battle. It never used to be like that", posts.



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View Postclanmcwood, on 15 April 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

 

that would correct if a tier 6 med could carry a tier 8 game which it cannot at most have trouble penning tier 8 meds let alone tier 8 heavies so if your bottom tier and your top tiers die in 3 mins doing no damage i will bloody moan at them and suggest they stop playing a tier they do not have the skill for. I try every game to do my best and suggest to less experienced players where they could go to be more impact but 90% of the time they ignore it and die anyway. When people are getting bottom tier 80-90% of the time through the retarded 3 5 7 MM do you still expect people to just accept it? 

 

View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

 

Agreed on clanmcwood, that getting bottom tier 8 out of 10 times, not having weakspot MODs or any autoaim-clickandpen MODs, AND NO prem ammo, its DAMM hard to do a difference on the battlefield, specially when as he says top tiers are fools, and later blame a tier 8 why he hasnt killed the enemy team.????

Sadly to say, a lot of players Rush the field, thinking they got armor to protect them. HA, NOT these days WOT.

Every Battle i see players that doesnt need time to aim or change view, its just spot and click, MODs and prem ammo does the rest.



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View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

How much you got for thia holy speech?  Cuz wg says the same always, that the mm is good only the players are noobs. I dont blame anyone cuz im not that good player, but example 10/7 battles the players or afk or just dont know where they are. You let them know what would be better but they just camping by the base with heavy tanks. About the mm its also useless cuz i cannot accept that if you play in platoon you must see 95% 2 tier higher tanks. And most of times alone too. 



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View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

 

You not the first to discover this you know. 

Search_Warrant #13 Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:29 PM

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Me playing T-34-3. has 175 base pen and can low roll enough to bounce same tier mediums and has arty accuracy. all along i thought it was my gimped gun, nope it was me all along. :trollface:

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View PostSimone35, on 15 April 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

Leaving the WN8 alone, let's focus on ourselves, it is practically useless to blame the other players if we lose (sometimes it may be their fault) but we must be the cardinal point of the team, we must make tactics and try to win, and if we lose amen, we do not make a mourning. Stop being an idiot, look at yourself before talking about others.

 

This game is about teams not solo playing. At least in theory.

Even if you are the best super-mega-unicum in the galaxy, you still cant carry 100% of the matches.

You can take key point in a map with 2 other players by your side, clearing a flank and after you do that and you see the rest of your team dead on the other side, and you 3 vs 70% of enemy team on your tail, how can you win and how is it your fault if you lose?

You cant just cover all map isnt it?

And its just an example.

And the worst thing is, nobody listens at the beginning when you tell them not to camp on base and go fight.

 

 

 

 

 



the_Haba #15 Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:00 AM

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Sure, you are the problem for not winning every game. It is always possible, theoretically. But realistically the problem is the game itself, MM included. And players.

 

Having things out of your control decide the match result is not fun.

 

WoT is a massively flawed game. It has glaring design issues that will never be addressed. But after this many years, it is is pretty much a case of "buyer beware".

 

If you invest time in it, you will have to accept that it will never get any better. You will join games that objectively cannot be won. Either you glean some kind of sadomasochistic enjoyment from the "challenge" or then you learn to accept the fact that you will lose when the casino decides you will lose. No use crying about it. It is how it is and it is how it will be.

 

The only thing that can improve is you as a player and more importantly - your patience.



Jigabachi #16 Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:08 AM

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That's nice and all, but that's not how things work.
I played around 25 matches after the update and in at least half of them I, an average bob, was the best player statswise. When I wasn't the best one, I was among the three or five best ones because of a stray unicorn platoon or something like that.
In other words: The game is so swamped with botlevel players who can barely tell the front of their tank from the back, that it is very legit to blame other players for losing.
But for every bad player out there, your mantra is quite on point. But they won't listen, otherwise they wouldn't be bad players.

NoobySkooby #17 Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:16 AM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 15 April 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

 

There are too many incentives to play in a greedy selfish manner.

That's why Teamwork isn't something you find in WoT, unless in CW/SH, etc-

 

I don't entirly agree, when in a platoon we normally work together

Negativvv #18 Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:23 AM

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People who complain in chat are usually the issue yes.

 

I got abuse last night for losing in my AMX 13 75 vs half a team. Got killed by the last tank and some guy with 100dmg was messaging me crap. Bearing in mind I got 2.8k damage and only lost because I completely ran out of shells...



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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 15 April 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

What's the point of making tactics when 80% of the time nobody listens...

 

You're right, matchmaking isn't a problem, the players are the problem, i.e. the lack of communication and teamwork, mutual support... The fact some people have chat turned off just makes it worse.

 

It would be great if only the chat was shut down, I have a feeling that a certain number of people do not just turn off chat but it is excluded and minimap and hud in general, and then they are driving the map as true real hunters from WWII by feeling and skill :) .
In other missions, no 1 is hidden in a bush so no one can find you, because whoever survives the last, that is the real winner, regardless of the outcome of the battle: P

 

The opponent somehow manages to organize his forces so that more of them are in the right direction and overwhelm the individuals from our team who spread out the map as lost children, and then the tank by the tank results the battle is all the more significant. An individual in such an environment can hardly achieve victory. The Platoon may eventually have an impact on the outcome of the battle and overcome the battle in favor of the team, but playing alone very difficult, almost impossible, or if you have a great luck then you might succeed.

 

It's all very relative, it depends on what kind of team you are up to, some time you are lucky, some way you do not.

 

The most stupid thing that is set in the game is that personal success is valued through the team's success!? Personal success should be like WN8 on a personal level, without affecting by success of the team.
Only then would personal success be evaluated for each individual especially, only then the MM could compile not only by the types of tanks as it has been so far but also by the evaluation of the players, so only then MM would be just and honest.

By then we can only dream of fair battles that will not end with a 15: 2 score in the first 4 minute of battle.



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I have seen 2 different players, playing with the T29 using the 76mm. Not being any value to our team because they couldn't even pen an OI. You can't tell me I'm the problem in such situations




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