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killer999death #1 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:10 PM

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Is it just me or are there far too many autoloading tanks in this game (which in a way make matches unenjoyable)? 
 

soul3ater #2 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:15 PM

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Not really, they can be a problem but if you find yourself alone against an autoloader in the first place then it's kind of your fault.

 

most of them have almost zero armour so there is that too.



PauI #3 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:17 PM

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learn to respect and counter them and u ll be fine

 

 



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View Postsoul3ater, on 16 April 2018 - 02:15 PM, said:

Not really, they can be a problem but if you find yourself alone against an autoloader in the first place then it's kind of your fault.

 

most of them have almost zero armour so there is that too.

 

Maybe, just maybe, it's not always -my- the player's fault.


Most stupid thing I see time and time again is things like t8 French autoloading light tank be top tier in a 3-5-7 matchmaking.

Maschinenkanone #5 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:40 PM

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"Too many autoloaders?"

 

 

 

 

Yes.



TungstenHitman #6 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:41 PM

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They're a cheap WN8 tank in many ways and I'd highly recommend them if you suck at this game. What I mean by that is this, if your'e the type of player that averages about one or two clean hits per battle, then with an AL you can wait for "your big moment" behind teammates or some corner and pounce when the moment is right and clip a tank before getting killed yourself since you normally die like a nub anyway only now you have the ROF to land 4 or 6 or 8 shots depending what your tanks mag carries before you die AND best part of all, unlike a single shooter tank, when an AL has its ammo rack damaged, it will continue to fire just as quick until you empty your mag so it really is a weapons platform I would highly recommend to players that struggle at this game. Cheap in a way but at least you are doing more than 1 shot of damage per battle.

 

Now you may very well miss and bounce every single shot but at least you are landing way more shots before you invariably die than you would with a single shooter and thus THAT many more chances of doing some good damage. Hell, even full mags worth of damage from some ALs is enough to put a player in the top5 of a battle result. Ever notice that almost half or more of a team do zero damage to just one shot? Well there you are, these players use an AL, they suddenly double, triple or more their damage output. 

 

Wait, what was the question? Too many ALs? If the battle has lots of them yes, if it doesn't then no. The answer works on a battle by battle basis, perhaps they should limited same as arty is limited etc, 3 ALs per team max or something.



JCTagger #7 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:41 PM

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No, OP, it's not just you :sceptic:

I utterly hate the wretched things, not because they're an abused mechanic as such, but because of the moronic Mario-Kart behaviour they promote, particularly as they mainly seem to be found in stupid LTs and MTs...

Soul3ater is quite right in that most of them have no armour, but that's no real help when they just YOLO along flat out in the stupidest direction possible, and then clip one vehicle before either crashing or getting annihilated during the reload. I almost never see them being played in a remotely survivable way (like you'd use one in actual battle), as in, shoot - move or duck - wait for the reply to miss - pop up and repeat...

Yes, I do understand and accept that WoT is more Arcade than simulator, but (STRICTLY IMO), the prevalence of stupid clip-tonks in the hands of equally stupid players is a far more broken mechanic than Arty, especially since the arty nerf...


 

Just seeing a platoon of Premium autoloaders during the countdown is a depressing foreknowledge of exactly how the game will go...

 

Edit: TungstenHitman ninja-posted me - I like the idea of limiting the dreadful things like Arty, that would help...

Oh, and stop utter Noobs with less than 1k games buying their way into tier VIII OP tonks while still being joyfully, sometimes wilfully, clueless...


Edited by JCTagger, 16 April 2018 - 02:44 PM.


Enforcer1975 #8 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:53 PM

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View PostPauI, on 16 April 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

learn to respect and counter them and u ll be fine

 

 

Not always possible when you encounter an xvm using yolobot and you happen to be a lot better than it. 



killer999death #9 Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:20 PM

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Should balance autoloaders to have -1/+2 MM not -2/+2MM. Specially the light tanks, the light tanks are a bigger problem when top tier than medium tanks.

Flavortown #10 Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:25 PM

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Yes paper tanks, truly the enemy of heavy/medium tanks in maps that are about 90% nothing but corridors.

Kurat666 #11 Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:27 PM

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I wonder on what server do you play on? On EU there is a flood of heavies and td-s. Autoloaders are hardly a problem.

snowlywhite #12 Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:40 PM

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at tier 9-10, there seem to be on average 2-3 autoloaders out of 30 tanks(with me included). Sign of them being OP I presume :P

 

if you add tier 8, maybe 3-4. But that's only because bat 12t requires a bazillion xp to research everything from it. So inevitably a lot of ppl. have to suffer for a long time in that PoS(and actually all 3 tier 9s researched from it are decent tanks).

 

at 7, usually about 2-3('xcept now, since everyone runs their new 13 57)

 

on what server are you playing?

 

p.s. - there'll also be another inflation of autoloaders in 1-2 weeks with the new italian junk. But that'll also last 2 weeks and that's it...


Edited by snowlywhite, 16 April 2018 - 03:42 PM.


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I started to play them for a different challenge, I must admit I really enjoy them and in fact to have a good game it does teach you some good habits i.e. having a good escape route and place to reload, then while reloading you have another good luck at the map. 

 

I actually prefer the lower DMG clip and subsequent lower reload time, as if find them more forgiving.

 

With regards to the class well  I recall getting my but kicked frequently when those T9 and T10 skoda's arrived on the scene but you see less and less of them these days , you do remember the lessons though i.e. try and not trade as their burst can be quite potent.    

Variety is the spice of life - DERP, Clip, reloader, pew pew  - they can all have a place in a game ( say it quietly even arty), the trick is balance, however "balance" seems to be a dirty word in WG HQ



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View Postkiller999death, on 16 April 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

Should balance autoloaders to have -1/+2 MM not -2/+2MM. Specially the light tanks, the light tanks are a bigger problem when top tier than medium tanks.

 

Just remove tier 9 and 10 and reintroduce +3-2MM  

 

Filling up the Arty and LT braches to tier 10 was a bad move imo. 



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View Postsnowlywhite, on 16 April 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

at tier 9-10, there seem to be on average 2-3 autoloaders out of 30 tanks(with me included). Sign of them being OP I presume :P

 

if you add tier 8, maybe 3-4. But that's only because bat 12t requires a bazillion xp to research everything from it. So inevitably a lot of ppl. have to suffer for a long time in that PoS(and actually all 3 tier 9s researched from it are decent tanks).

 

at 7, usually about 2-3('xcept now, since everyone runs their new 13 57)

 

on what server are you playing?

 

p.s. - there'll also be another inflation of autoloaders in 1-2 weeks with the new italian junk. But that'll also last 2 weeks and that's it...

 

View PostKurat666, on 16 April 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

I wonder on what server do you play on? On EU there is a flood of heavies and td-s. Autoloaders are hardly a problem.

 

EU cluster 1

Playing tier 6-9 myself as tier 10 are not my thing because there is nothing to progress towards to with them. It's mostly tier 6 with which I get thrown into t8 matches with the pleasurable experience of something like Lorr 40, Souma AL, 12t taking the top tier in a 3-5-7 matchmaking. Had horrible games with Skoda T40, the tank is already as crapas a t5 and then I get thrown into t8 with top tier autoloaders who need to hit 3 shots to kill it, not even a full magazine :D



Also another note from previous comments in this thread. I think Autoloaders reward the YOLO 1 Mag burst death a bit too rewarding.  


 

Jigabachi #16 Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:46 PM

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Well. Yes. For me, autoloaders come right after arty when talking about balancebreaking gamemechanics. Their introduction completely changed the gameplay. To the worse. When bottomtier, it's quite acceptable, because then they really need some skill and you have realistic chances to defeat them, but when toptier, it's just not fun.

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"Okay, I should be safe here for a moment. There's no way that Tier X autoloader will throw himself away just to cripple a bottom tier tank."



snowlywhite #18 Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:14 PM

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 Playing tier 6-9 myself as tier 10 are not my thing because there is nothing to progress towards to with them. It's mostly tier 6 with which I get thrown into t8 matches with the pleasurable experience of something like Lorr 40, Souma AL, 12t taking the top tier in a 3-5-7 matchmaking. Had horrible games with Skoda T40, the tank is already as crapas a t5 and then I get thrown into t8 with top tier autoloaders who need to hit 3 shots to kill it, not even a full magazine :D

 

 

yes, and if you play tier 6-9(like I also do), you know that being top tier as tier 8 happens once in a blue moon.

 

so, once in a blue moon, that tier 8 gets it's moment of glory. After *ucking half an hour and being 2-3 shot 6 games in a row, you get the game where you do the law(and still get penned by everyone, including your tier 6 :P)


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AliceUnchained #19 Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:29 PM

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I do feel we need more high Tier Soviet auto-loaders...

Kolmiopaavo #20 Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:46 PM

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Autoloaders (at tier 10) are out of meta probably more than theyve ever been. Armor creep, lots of hulldown tanks and constant full tier 10 matchups really screw them over.

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