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Stefan_REST #1 Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:57 PM

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So, after every patch/update it seems that everything is going worse. Matchmaking, visual bugs, impossible maps for specific classes, etc. Do you even try to workout the bugs or not?

 

The most recent example is this one: im playing in bat chat vs full tier 10 round. I do:

- 2374 dmg

- 5119 spotting

- 1044 base xp

 

An teammate e3:

- 2775 damage

- 212 spotting

- 1103 base xp

 

I someone would be kind enough to explain why the e3 received more xp than me? because at the moment im doing stage 7 for progetto and im getting "rng" results. I also had a round when i dinged 9/10 with bat from above in wz light, sta 1, vk, kv 4. 



jabster #2 Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:04 PM

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Yes.

Balc0ra #3 Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:11 PM

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Without knowing all the details. Who knows. Spotting alone is not gonna give you loads of XP. As I've hardly even seen top 8 the 4 times I've done LT-15, even with 13K assist.

 

Without knowing how you did that damage vs him, on your own spotting or not, how many kills you had, first spots, arty spots, cap even. It's anyone's guess.



Homer_J #4 Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:26 PM

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View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

I someone would be kind enough to explain why the e3 received more xp than me?

Because he did more exp earning stuff than you.

 

The problem is that what you think should be earning exp isn't.  And since WG won't reveal what does, because exp farmers like you will try to exploit it, all you can do is play your best.


Edited by Homer_J, 16 April 2018 - 04:26 PM.


Spurtung #5 Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:26 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 16 April 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

It's anyone's guess.

 

He asked for kind people to explain, aka he wants pats on the back, not finding out anything.



AliceUnchained #6 Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:15 PM

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View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

I someone would be kind enough to explain why the e3 received more xp than me? 

 

Provide the replay, as that should give us some ideas. Or at the very least, provide full details of the End Screen results. Dealing damage under 200 meters yields additional XP, as does critical damage, destroying enemy vehicles, initial spots. Dealing damage to enemies you're not spotting yourself, you will receive only 50% of the normal XP. Dealing damage to lower Tiers also incurs a penalty. 

 

Now let's take a hypothetical situation, and you dealt your damage to enemies you weren't spotting yourself. Suddenly your damage plus assisted amounts to 3.746,5. Now let's assume that T110E3 did spot its own targets, combined damage amounts to 2.881. Not that big a gap anymore. The difference could then be caused by critical damage, inflicting damage at close range (under 200 meters), destroying (more) enemies, and dealing damage to higher Tier targets compared to you. 

 

Here, knock yourself out: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Battle_Mechanics#Experience_and_Credits. It's not up-to-date or even fully accurate, but should give you an idea on the mechanics involved.



jdc302 #7 Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:27 PM

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How many kills did you each get? Getting a kill makes a big difference in xp.

Jigabachi #8 Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:40 PM

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Replay of that match?

btw: This was a major update with many changes to the core elements of the game. Bugs are to be expected. And since we're talking about WG, more bugs than usual are to be expected. 


Edited by Jigabachi, 16 April 2018 - 05:42 PM.


uglycousin #9 Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:44 PM

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View Postjabster, on 16 April 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

Yes.

 

No.

xtrem3x #10 Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:50 PM

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Getting kills, bouncing shots, doing damage close up all adds to XP.

Also, if someone else was spotting the tanks you damaged you need to share that XP with the spotter (or tracker etc).

 

It's not black & white.

Doing some spotting, then getting some red-line damage won't get you as much XP



Procjon #11 Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:04 PM

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Driving E3 means he should be in front most of the time and taking all the damage being a shield wall. Only because you spotted more it doesn't mean he was not the one that had to deal with all spotted tanks.

 

Look at all stats not only those that fits you.

 

HF

 


Edited by Procjon, 16 April 2018 - 09:07 PM.


jabster #12 Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:06 PM

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View Postuglycousin, on 16 April 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

 

No.

 

Maybe.

Stefan_REST #13 Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:28 PM

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ok here are the prints. dont know what the replay was, i can check it for you. ive read what wiki.wargaming says about xp, just after the fight, it doesnt add up.

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trrprrprr #14 Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:32 PM

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View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

So, after every patch/update it seems that everything is going worse. Matchmaking, visual bugs, impossible maps for specific classes, etc. Do you even try to workout the bugs or not?

 

The most recent example is this one: im playing in bat chat vs full tier 10 round. I do:

- 2374 dmg

- 5119 spotting

- 1044 base xp

 

An teammate e3:

- 2775 damage

- 212 spotting

- 1103 base xp

 

I someone would be kind enough to explain why the e3 received more xp than me? because at the moment im doing stage 7 for progetto and im getting "rng" results. I also had a round when i dinged 9/10 with bat from above in wz light, sta 1, vk, kv 4. 

 

From plain camping and sniping damage wont give you much(from TD experience) But as soon as you get in to first lines and bounce shots/assist and spot while fighting will give you alot more.  E3 blocked almost 5k dmg...so he did more than you :)

 

Now days its a huge light/med problem, where they stay back and wait till heavys or TDs spot for them.  Anyways, you get more from driving around capping/decapping, countering arties and so on, and less rewarding is last line sniping...except if you manage to do alot of damage.


Edited by trrprrprr, 16 April 2018 - 09:34 PM.


xZeddy #15 Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:43 PM

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Maybe because he had 5k blocked damage? You know "dangerous playing"

Edited by xZeddy, 16 April 2018 - 09:44 PM.


Stefan_REST #16 Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:43 PM

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View PostxZeddy, on 16 April 2018 - 10:43 PM, said:

Maybe because he had 5k blocked damage? You know "dangerous playing"

 

show me a wargaming news that says that blocked damage is more important than assisted damage, or even is blocked is counted towards better xp.

 

View Posttrrprrprr, on 16 April 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

 

From plain camping and sniping damage wont give you much(from TD experience) But as soon as you get in to first lines and bounce shots/assist and spot while fighting will give you alot more.  E3 blocked almost 5k dmg...so he did more than you :)

 

Now days its a huge light/med problem, where they stay back and wait till heavys or TDs spot for them.  Anyways, you get more from driving around capping/decapping, countering arties and so on, and less rewarding is last line sniping...except if you manage to do alot of damage.

 

if this is the situation than no light/med will ever get top xp anymore. with the superheavies, supertds, etc. e3 camped base, i spotted 6 tanks for them. basically all e3 damage is my spot. its incredible thou that a combined 3k dmg/assist can get better xp than another tank with 8.5k. in the same tier battles.

Edited by Stefan_REST, 16 April 2018 - 09:45 PM.


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View Postjabster, on 16 April 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

 

Maybe.

 

Pudding?

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View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

So, after every patch/update it seems that everything is going worse. Matchmaking, visual bugs, impossible maps for specific classes, etc. Do you even try to workout the bugs or not?

 

The most recent example is this one: im playing in bat chat vs full tier 10 round. I do:

- 2374 dmg

- 5119 spotting

- 1044 base xp

 

An teammate e3:

- 2775 damage

- 212 spotting

- 1103 base xp

 

I someone would be kind enough to explain why the e3 received more xp than me? because at the moment im doing stage 7 for progetto and im getting "rng" results. I also had a round when i dinged 9/10 with bat from above in wz light, sta 1, vk, kv 4.

 

With respect buddy this isn't a place for answers. Folk here have been worn down to husks by years of commercial abuse by WG and more direct abuse from some forum users. Some of them have answers but are afraid to voice them for fear of some kind of retribution from other forumites or WGs secret police (JOKING!. Just joking(ish))...........


 

Anyway. WG giveth and WG taketh away because of reasons. It's like loads of 15-0 victories and unlucky streaks. It just IS. It is working as intended. Apparently.


 

 

 

They tinker yes, trying to fix things here or there. I remember one patch where they said that they had fixed an issue where an enemy vehicle had been spotted moving behind an obstacle and just as it cam around the corner giving you a clear shot it would disappear. Well they never fixed it, it still happens all the time and WG have ticked it off their list of things to fix so go figure.



trrprrprr #19 Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:25 PM

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View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 08:43 PM, said:

 

show me a wargaming news that says that blocked damage is more important than assisted damage, or even is blocked is counted towards better xp.

 

 

if this is the situation than no light/med will ever get top xp anymore. with the superheavies, supertds, etc. e3 camped base, i spotted 6 tanks for them. basically all e3 damage is my spot. its incredible thou that a combined 3k dmg/assist can get better xp than another tank with 8.5k. in the same tier battles.

 

Still, he traded shots and used armor to get bounces, close combat is always more rewarding that sitting back. Just try any other tank, best - heavy. One game try to get high dmg score via camping and not engaging in close combat, other - where you engage close combat....second one will reward more than first one.  If you want higher rewards just from spot/assist, then wg should take off damage from those tanks as everyone would just spot and assist and wouldnt any need to engage in close combat, cos staying back in some bush would reward you more than being a punching bag.

 

he got 7797points from damage/block assist, you 7493 points.   Even if you compare amount of points, hes got more....  And look at objekt430U, he just camped somewhere and sniped...even tho he got 2x more dmg, still lost at performance.


Edited by trrprrprr, 16 April 2018 - 10:28 PM.


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Wait, we get XP for damage blocked? I thought they'd abandoned that idea in concept years ago?






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