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SABAOTH #21 Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:36 PM

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View Postkiolvi, on 16 April 2018 - 09:53 PM, said:

 

Pudding?

 

Pheraps

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View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

So, after every patch/update it seems that everything is going worse. Matchmaking, visual bugs, impossible maps for specific classes, etc. Do you even try to workout the bugs or not?

 

The most recent example is this one: im playing in bat chat vs full tier 10 round. I do:

- 2374 dmg

- 5119 spotting

- 1044 base xp

 

An teammate e3:

- 2775 damage

- 212 spotting

- 1103 base xp

 

I someone would be kind enough to explain why the e3 received more xp than me? because at the moment im doing stage 7 for progetto and im getting "rng" results. I also had a round when i dinged 9/10 with bat from above in wz light, sta 1, vk, kv 4. 

 

cause WG dont like you??

xtrem3x #23 Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:04 AM

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View PostGerman_Dunc, on 16 April 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

Wait, we get XP for damage blocked? I thought they'd abandoned that idea in concept years ago?

 

Yes.

You get XP for 'tanking'



Stefan_REST #24 Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

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@trrprrtrr: a link where wg says that dmg blocked counts towards xp pls.

@xtram3x: the same as above.

 

 



soul3ater #25 Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:46 AM

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I am not sure if the same distribution as the tanked applies in random matches or not, but from what I have seen personally from ranked battles was the closer you're to the enemy aka heavy tanks or tanks like E3 the more exp you get as opposed to someone who's sniping from a distance, even thou the sniper might do double the dmg of said heavy tank.



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Gimme the "link" please, jesus, did you even checked screens? I mean how "stupid" you must be, those 2 screens are proof that blocked damage gives you exp. also, and as you see, alot of it...

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View PostStefan_REST, on 17 April 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

@trrprrtrr: a link where wg says that dmg blocked counts towards xp pls.

@xtram3x: the same as above.

 

 

 

They introduced it in 9.3

http://ftr.wot-news....g-reward-works/

 

I don't think it is the same now as it was, obviously over time they have improved/changed the mechanic but you definitely get more XP when you are up close and part of the fight instead of sitting safe and sniping.



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Bats are not good for experience earning, its a well known thing.

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View Postxtram3x, on 17 April 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

 

They introduced it in 9.3

http://ftr.wot-news....g-reward-works/

 

I don't think it is the same now as it was, obviously over time they have improved/changed the mechanic but you definitely get more XP when you are up close and part of the fight instead of sitting safe and sniping.

 

He only talks about test server.  As far as I am aware they didn't implement it and it went back for rework.

 

But it is a possible explanation for some anomalies.  Along with the mystical bonus for being in the area of the fighting.



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 From what I know you get:
- lots of XP for kills
- lots of XP for dmg

- lots of XP for dmg against targets of your tier or higher
- lots of XP for doing that at close range ( "sniping is bad, mkay" )
- lots of XP for assists (track, stun)
- meh XP for spotting dmg
- meh XP for capping (split between cappers) 
- meh XP for distance traveled ( "camping is also bad, mkay" )
- pathetic XP for tanking dmg
- pathetic XP for spotting w/o dmg

 As to what gives the most XP, in order: killing, damaging, assisting.  (Exceptions happens depending on how much HP the target you killed had)

p.s. read "lots of xp" to imply more than "meh xp" not actual lots, the grind must exist (according to wg)

 


Edited by Palora, 17 April 2018 - 12:59 PM.


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Here is the list of the better non-premium tanks in experience:

 

Brawling Meds and TDs and Super Heavies. Large guns also

 

 

Here it is the tier 6 tanks:

 

Bad news to the red-line snipers and damage farmers...

 


 
 

View PostPalora, on 17 April 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

 From what I know you get:
- lots of XP for kills
- lots of XP for dmg

- lots of XP for dmg against targets of your tier or higher
- lots of XP for doing that at close range ( "sniping is bad, mkay" )
- lots of XP for assists (track, stun)
- meh XP for spotting dmg
- meh XP for capping (split between cappers) 
- meh XP for distance traveled ( "camping is also bad, mkay" )
- pathetic XP for tanking dmg
- pathetic XP for spotting w/o dmg

 As to what gives the most XP, in order: killing, damaging, assisting.  (Exceptions happens depending on how much HP the target you killed had)

p.s. read "lots of xp" to imply more than "meh xp" not actual lots, the grind must exist (according to wg)

 

 

Cromwell is top5 in experience, yet

 

Not top 10 in damage(#27)

Not  top 10 in Kills (#16)

#7 in assisted damage via radio

not top 10 in assisted damage via tracks (#32)

not top 10 in survival(#39)

#4 in Miliage

not top 10 in winrate (#14)

 

Not to question your conclusions, but the data does not confirm it...

 

My theory is that there is a tank experience parameter determined by WG..


 

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View Postuglycousin, on 16 April 2018 - 05:44 PM, said:

 

No.

 

Yes

 



You get more xp when doing damage to higer tiers....i.e. with the 7-5-3 MM, if you are one of the lucky 7, you will be earning more XP if you do avg, then the top tier doing good.
 

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View PostHQ65, on 17 April 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

You get more xp when doing damage to higer tiers....i.e. with the 7-5-3 MM, if you are one of the lucky 7, you will be earning more XP if you do avg, then the top tier doing good.

 

Sorry, but then tier 9 tanks should have more experience than tier 10, which is not the case...

 

There is something in the calculations that we don't know....

 

IMHO winrate is the more relevant parameter, yet the tanks with more experience are not those with better winrates


Edited by pecopad, 17 April 2018 - 02:16 PM.


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@xZeddy: that proves that you are a moron and presume that everything you see it's real and it works as seen. 

@xtram3x/homerk: thanks.

@palora: well i also know the basics, but this dmg/assisted dmg difference i consider it to be way too big, and i was wondering if im getting something wrong.

@pecopad: yup, i also think that from some tanks.

pecopad #35 Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:18 PM

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win rate:

 

 

 

Damage:

 

Combination between damage and winrate is the closer, but still does not explain all...

 


Edited by pecopad, 17 April 2018 - 02:19 PM.


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View PostStefan_REST, on 17 April 2018 - 01:16 PM, said:

@xZeddy: that proves that you are a moron and presume that everything you see it's real and it works as seen. 

@xtram3x/homerk: thanks.

@palora: well i also know the basics, but this dmg/assisted dmg difference i consider it to be way too big, and i was wondering if im getting something wrong.

@pecopad: yup, i also think that from some tanks.

 

Okay, i'm moron, but as i/you see on screens,  it proof my words.... looks like you didn't see screens, just talking.... or let says so, you are right and i'm wrong, then please explain this situations. Don't tell me, big tier or low tier as you see everyone is t10 tank, so please tell me, how TD got more exp as Medium tank, and medium had much better stats at the end of the battle, i mean medium contributed more as td, didn't he? So please don't tell me, blocked damage doesn't give you exp.

Edited by xZeddy, 17 April 2018 - 02:31 PM.


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View PostxZeddy, on 17 April 2018 - 02:30 PM, said:

 

Okay, i'm moron, but as i/you see on screens,  it proof my words.... looks like you didn't see screens, just talking.... or let says so, you are right and i'm wrong, then please explain this situations. Don't tell me, big tier or low tier as you see everyone is t10 tank, so please tell me, how TD got more exp as Medium tank, and medium had much better stats at the end of the battle, i mean medium contributed more as td, didn't he? So please don't tell me, blocked damage doesn't give you exp.

 

BATS always had bad experience values, I think only WG knows why..

 

Snipers and Farmers apparently have lower Xp ... but it could be a tank modifier...


Edited by pecopad, 17 April 2018 - 02:41 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 17 April 2018 - 01:40 PM, said:

 

BATS always had bad experience values, I think only WG knows why..

 

Snipers and Farmers apparently have lower Xp ... but it could be a tank modifier...

 

hahahahhaah yes sure.

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View Postpecopad, on 17 April 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

 

BATS always had bad experience values, I think only WG knows why..

 

Snipers and Farmers apparently have lower Xp ... but it could be a tank modifier...

 

I was under the impression that there was a class modifier....I'm positive this was published, wasn't it?

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View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 09:43 PM, said:

if this is the situation than no light/med will ever get top xp anymore. with the superheavies, supertds, etc. e3 camped base, i spotted 6 tanks for them. basically all e3 damage is my spot. its incredible thou that a combined 3k dmg/assist can get better xp than another tank with 8.5k. in the same tier battles.

 

You should keep in mind that assisted damage only yields 50% of the XP compared to inflicting the damage (when spotting the target yourself). So rather than compare damage + assisted, you should compare damage + assisted/2. I honestly doubt that E3 damage is your spotting, as the E3 inflicted all of it below 300 meters. A distance at which an E3 should be able to spot the targets by itself, unassisted. In truth, I would not be surprised if that E3 getting all close and personal actually allowed you that easy, free damage at below 300 meters.

 

View PostStefan_REST, on 16 April 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

ok here are the prints. dont know what the replay was, i can check it for you. ive read what wiki.wargaming says about xp, just after the fight, it doesnt add up.

 

It does help to exclude certain factors. Tier difference plays no role here, as all vehicles involved are Tier X. The E3 inflicted all damage at below 300 meters distance, and possible even below 200 meters which would provide a bonus to XP earned. The E3 also got 1 more kill, and to my best estimation those yield somewhere between 20 and 50 XP (I compared hundreds of screen shots in the past; took 1 for each vehicle on each team in a game, calculated total damages inflicted on both sides, and tried to isolate some variables). Keeping that large caliber in mind, it's plausible that E3 inflicted some nasty critical damage as well. Ultimately, the difference is a mere 59 XP and it's not as if that E3 did not pull its weight. 

 

We can also identify another curiosity, but one you completely (deliberately?) ignored: That Obj. 430U inflicted over twice the damage you managed, yet ends up with less XP. In fact, there's a total of 4 Tier X mediums with higher damage inflicted, yet less XP. You make a fuss about getting less XP than an E3, but ignore that. Typical.

 

View PostHomer_J, on 17 April 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

He only talks about test server.  As far as I am aware they didn't implement it and it went back for rework.

 

But it is a possible explanation for some anomalies.  Along with the mystical bonus for being in the area of the fighting.

 

Same here, I was under the impression developers toyed with the idea but did not actually implement it. On the other hand, based on plenty of screen shot comparisons I've come to suspect shots fired actually provide some XP.

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 17 April 2018 - 08:19 PM.





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