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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:47 PM

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when I started playing WoT, I started with German tanks - I didn't think much about it, I guess the short tutorial/training camp gave a German tank to start with, so I carried on.

I thought the game would be balanced, so if I chose to play Germans I wouldn't be penalized for doing so. Today, I have a handful of German 3 skill crews which took me YEARS (!!) to train, but except a few, most German tanks after tier 6 are a total let down, they get shot to pieces in close range and the maps don't allow for building on their strengths (accuracy).  Also, the accuracy thing seems to be overhyped - the Russians snipe just fine.

 

I started the Russian tree some years (!) back to get a viable tier 8 heavy for participating in battles for the clan, and I don't have many crews nor ar ethey as good as my German crews.

 

Now in battle, everything is Obj something, the T-54 family of tanks was already too strong for my taste, but now there are too many Russian OP tanks.

 

I feel like having been duped into believing German tanks could compete.

I now regret starting with German tanks, I wish I could convert my crews to Russian crews.

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Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 16 April 2018 - 08:38 PM.


mtnm #2 Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:52 PM

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I was also lead to play german tanks by the tutorial.

 

The moment I figured out something is wrong was when I was playing Tiger 2. Although I didn't have any other tier 8 at that time something felt wrong. It was sluggish, easy to damage, I don't know.

 

So I've searched for answers and found this forum and the reddit one.

 

Long story short - I've stopped any kind of grinding - it is not worth it. War gaming is constantly shifting balance.



Private_Pearts #3 Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:00 PM

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Repeat after me. There is no Soviet bias. Afterall WG is not a Russian company.


 

I am being sarcastic of course. Russia is their bread and butter market and culturally Russians are like delinquent teenagers. You have to blow sunshine up their backsides or they invade you.

A bit like Americans.


 


 



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But I don't dislike the game.

 

I think the game mechanics are awesome.

It's the "statisticians" that decide which tanks should be good and which one should stink I despise.



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Oh I hear you. I love the damn game. Too much in fact. It frustrates me that WG cannot/will not balance it and give everybody an equal chance.

 

They do of course. Only some have a more equal chance than others.


 Example: They are struggling to find excuses to buff Soviet tanks so instead they flatten the maps meaning that good gun depression isn't the edge it once was.


Edited by Private_Pearts, 16 April 2018 - 10:08 PM.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 16 April 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

when I started playing WoT, I started with German tanks - I didn't think much about it, I guess the short tutorial/training camp gave a German tank to start with, so I carried on.

I thought the game would be balanced, so if I chose to play Germans I wouldn't be penalized for doing so. Today, I have a handful of German 3 skill crews which took me YEARS (!!) to train, but except a few, most German tanks after tier 6 are a total let down, they get shot to pieces in close range and the maps don't allow for building on their strengths (accuracy).  Also, the accuracy thing seems to be overhyped - the Russians snipe just fine.

 

I started the Russian tree some years (!) back to get a viable tier 8 heavy for participating in battles for the clan, and I don't have many crews nor ar ethey as good as my German crews.

 

Now in battle, everything is Obj something, the T-54 family of tanks was already too strong for my taste, but now there are too many Russian OP tanks.

 

I feel like having been duped into believing German tanks could compete.

I now regret starting with German tanks, I wish I could convert my crews to Russian crews.

</rant end>

 

German tanks are nazi and they are supposed to be shot down by the heroic soviet tanks.

 

IN a game where your max engagement is 450 m and accuracy is almost irrelevant across the board (more important are soft stats to hit reliably), is obvious that slow, large boxy tanks perform worse. Russian tanks are low profile, heavily gunned, heavily armored. being smaller targets is the key here they are harder to hit so they are more forgiving.

 

German tanks are not bad to play (most british are far worse), sure it might annoy you that ussr tanks gets often buffed because "game balance" while german, us and french get nerfed because "historical accuracy".

 

But it was always this way and lately they are showing some love for other nations too (from time to time)



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i think the french tanks are totally OP, russian tanks the least

Browarszky #8 Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:57 PM

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Well, to me there are a few tanks that I could call 'legendary', to mention all I can remember at this hour, Matilda, Sherman, Tiger (1), Panther, and T-34. Some of them as we know them in WoT are stronger, some less so....

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 16 April 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

when I started playing WoT, I started with German tanks - I didn't think much about it, I guess the short tutorial/training camp gave a German tank to start with, so I carried on.

 

It was the T-34-85. Don't let that spoil your story, though.



Hedgehog1963 #10 Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:58 AM

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We just had this conversation. Again and again over the last seven years the same thing.  Get over your German tank fetish.  If you think the Soviet tanks are better than the rest in WoT then play the bloody Russian tanks.  End of.  Over and out.  End of line. Stop.  Finito.

 

How hard can it be to let go of the nazi propaganda?

 

View PostSpurtung, on 17 April 2018 - 12:47 AM, said:

 

It was the T-34-85. Don't let that spoil your story, though.

 

Yeah.  It was.

 


 

Edited by Daxeno, 17 April 2018 - 03:29 PM.


HassenderZerhacker #11 Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:27 AM

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View PostSpurtung, on 17 April 2018 - 01:47 AM, said:

 

It was the T-34-85. Don't let that spoil your story, though.

 

maybe we didn't have the same tutorial ? 

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 16 April 2018 - 06:47 PM, said:

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Rant? One word in all caps and a few exclamation points does not constitute a rant. That's more of a grumble than anything, I score this rant 62/140, try not to Objectify Russian tanks in future, I'm sure they'll be balanced by the time the game reaches version 4.



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Hopefully they rebalance German tree someday, have ground almost every branch atleast to tier 7 and too bad there aren't that much keepers. Some of them are so utter cr@p that I haven't seen equal at another nation (Tiger P, I'm watching you) and some have nice concept that would work quite nicely if maps were bigger (Leo PTA, Leo1). So not entirely hopeless but really could use a some reviewing.

 



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But hey guys at least Skorpion is good

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View Posttumppi776, on 17 April 2018 - 06:06 AM, said:

But hey guys at least Skorpion is good

 

There is more than a good one in the tree, however they have no superior trait that can give them an edge in game: too small maps, too small engagement at ~400 m, and the difference in accuracy is a joke as you need even shorter distances to hit reliably a weakspot :coin:

 

Russian compact profile, speed paired with armor and hard hitting guns is what gives them the edge in this game, but is not because the tanks are "better" (ofc they are developer's and russian market favorite, so they get buffed often) it is more of a game design flaw.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 16 April 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

 

I feel like having been duped into believing German tanks could compete.

 

Yet strangely you do better in your German tanks than your Russian ones.  And don't say it's down to having better crews, you have tier 8, 9 and 10 Russian tanks doing pretty terribly and by that stage you should easily have a decent crew.  On top of that you played German tanks when you were a noob so the knowledge you have gained since then will more than compensate for any crew skills.

 

View PostHedgehog1963, on 17 April 2018 - 01:58 AM, said:

 If you think the Soviet tanks are better than the rest in WoT then play the bloomin Russian tanks.

He does, and we can see how much better they are.

E75 51.65% vs T-10 43.64%

Tiger II 51.46% vs IS-3 49.31%

Lowe, doing oh so badly with 54.62%

 

The facts just don't support the story.


 

Edited by Daxeno, 17 April 2018 - 03:33 PM.


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View PostHomer_J, on 17 April 2018 - 07:55 AM, said:

Yet strangely you do better in your German tanks than your Russian ones.  And don't say it's down to having better crews, you have tier 8, 9 and 10 Russian tanks doing pretty terribly and by that stage you should easily have a decent crew.  On top of that you played German tanks when you were a noob so the knowledge you have gained since then will more than compensate for any crew skills.

 

View PostHomer_J, on 17 April 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

He does, and we can see how much better they are.

E75 51.65% vs T-10 43.64%

Tiger II 51.46% vs IS-3 49.31%

Lowe, doing oh so badly with 54.62%

 

The facts just don't support the story.

 

I haven't yet mastered high tier Russian tanks.

Just look at the number of battles on them.

the playstyle is quite different from German tanks and I struggle getting used to it.

 

my best crew is in my IS-7, it has 2 skills + repairs at 50%

1 skill crew in my is-3 with 85% BIA

KV-4 has crew with 1 skill +70% repairs

 

and yes, E75 and Löwe are the best high tier German heavies. no wonder I do a bit better in them.

but Skorpion G and Löwe aren't really part of this because they aren't tech tree tanks.

 

and you mostly missed my point: NEW TANKS

 

I'm not talking about IS-7, etc.

I'm talking about all the medium and heavies they recently added.

the T44 was/is dangerous already at tier 8 and then at tier 9 follow obj 263, t-54 lt, T-54, Obj 430, Obj 430 II, Obj 704, Obj 705 ... 

I already had a hard time dealing with T-54 lt and T-54s, but now battles are litterally INFESTED with Objs and impenetratable and nearly impenetrable turrets and OP TDs where gold doesn't pen.

and of course they are often driven by competent players, so that makes for completely toxic tier 9 and 10.

 

some type 4 and type 5 are nothing against a bunch of Obj 268-4, Obj 140 and 430U as top tiers, helped by some T-54 Obj 430 and Obj 257.

They advance, you see only the turret, you can do nothing.

Often shots on the flank will also bounce.

The imbalance is flagrant, and they are not done yet - two more monstruosities will be unveiled soon.

 

Yes I am grinding my way up the Russian meds tree. I have the T-43 (horrible) and LTG is coming soon.

 

It's just very stupid to let players invest time in gimped tech trees.

 


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 17 April 2018 - 10:50 AM.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 17 April 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

 

 

 

 

and yes, E75 and Löwe are the best high tier German heavies.

 

No they're not.

Edited by Hedgehog1963, 17 April 2018 - 11:02 AM.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 17 April 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

I haven't yet mastered high tier Russian tanks.

Just look at the number of battles on them.

the playstyle is quite different from German tanks and I struggle getting used to it.

 

Remember to hold W and keep clicking. It might help to put something under your A and D keys so you don't try turning by accident as you get used to them. Unlike German tanks you won't need to worry about angling your armour. If you meet another Russian heavy, go nose-to-nose and then shoot everything else around them.



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View PostHomer_J, on 17 April 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

He does, and we can see how much better they are.

E75 51.65% vs T-10 43.64%

Tiger II 51.46% vs IS-3 49.31%

Lowe, doing oh so badly with 54.62%

 

The facts just don't support the story.

The isolated facts that you have chosen fit your point. The real global facts indicate that Ru tanks are better. These posts about tank nation inbalance keep appearing because they are true.... its just the recent spate of newly launched super Op obj that have tipped people over the edge.

 

As I posted in one of the recent arguements Im not a german fanboy, ive played both nations upto tier 10 on most of the lines. Germany has very few keepers, Ru has plenty in the current meta, its beyond any arguement and anyone says different is probably fixated with the politics of ww 2 and not the balancing of the actual game.






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