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CNS97 #1 Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:05 AM

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T30 and T11E04 needs buff. 155 mm AT gun T7E2 is too slow and its really hard to survive in the game.

Strappster #2 Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:10 AM

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Agreed, it should have an auto-loader.

HaZardeur #3 Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:10 AM

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My Jgd E100 gun needs also a buff... I think 6.6sec reload would be appropriate.

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View PostCNS97, on 17 April 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

T30 and T11E04 needs buff. 155 mm AT gun T7E2 is too slow and its really hard to survive in the game.

 

It would help if you fleshed out your argument a little more.

 

Some comparisons would be good to start with.



Shaade_Silentpaw #5 Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:37 AM

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It's called balance - and it does actually apply to some tanks.

You see, the T30 and T110E4 are very versatile/flexible - playable as pseudo-heavy tanks as well as TDs.

That being said though, the T110E4's armour has fallen behind the powercreep a fair bit.



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View PostStrappster, on 17 April 2018 - 09:10 AM, said:

Agreed, it should have an auto-loader.

Twin barrel with the same reload as one barrel...bounce or miss twice the shots on a tomato because reasons. 



Snatch_The_AmmoRacks #7 Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:52 AM

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No they don't need a buff. Infact they need a nerf to stop little reds being able to ruin someone's game with ease because they got their hands on skill compensator Td's. The E3 need a lower plate Nerf super bad to.

Dava_117 #8 Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

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View PostJuicyProduction, on 17 April 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

No they don't need a buff. Infact they need a nerf to stop little reds being able to ruin someone's game with ease because they got their hands on skill compensator Td's. The E3 need a lower plate Nerf super bad to.

 

Not really. Both T30 and E4 are well balanced TDs. They got armour and weackspots that can be exploited even by 2 tier lower tanks.

I agree that E3, Badger and 268v4 would need some real weackspots, but this is completely off topic.


Edited by Dava_117, 17 April 2018 - 10:42 AM.


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View PostDava_117, on 17 April 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

 

Not really. Both T30 and E4 are well balanced TDs. They got armour and weackspots that can be exploited even by 2 tier lower tanks.

I agree that E3, Badger and 268v4 would need some real weackspots, but this is completely off topic.

 

yeah it's true. T30, foch 155,E4 and other lower tier td's are okay/ish but at tier 9/10 there are some pretty broken tanks. I just think they don't really belong. They are like arty, easy to play and forgiving yet anyone playing them can easily punish others trying to make aggressive plays. And even tanks with armour that I consider OP, like the E3 as an example, would be just fine if there were much bigger maps because mobility would actually mean something. given the tiny maps and constant full tier x games recently the only thing mobility is good for is to run away from a situation as opposed to out manoeuvring/re-positioning. 

But I'm just not a big fan of high alpha tanks in general. Or more so the increase in available high alpha tanks and the popularity of them. The game should be fast paced, aggressive and 'brawley'; not of which you can do consistently (or more importantly; consistently well) with the current state of the game. I always have something to complain about but most of my opinions are validated for me when hearing youtubers such as Anfield say they steer clear of the game more and more due to it's state. Given that these people make money from their videos it really does say something when even they find it difficult to just suck it up and try and work around it, like they usually do.

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I think the problem is just the amount of broken/OP tanks that were added in the game lately, it makes balanced tanks look like crap.

 

 



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View PostJuicyProduction, on 17 April 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

yeah it's true. T30, foch 155,E4 and other lower tier td's are okay/ish but at tier 9/10 there are some pretty broken tanks. I just think they don't really belong. They are like arty, easy to play and forgiving yet anyone playing them can easily punish others trying to make aggressive plays. And even tanks with armour that I consider OP, like the E3 as an example, would be just fine if there were much bigger maps because mobility would actually mean something. given the tiny maps and constant full tier x games recently the only thing mobility is good for is to run away from a situation as opposed to out manoeuvring/re-positioning. 

But I'm just not a big fan of high alpha tanks in general. Or more so the increase in available high alpha tanks and the popularity of them. The game should be fast paced, aggressive and 'brawley'; not of which you can do consistently (or more importantly; consistently well) with the current state of the game. I always have something to complain about but most of my opinions are validated for me when hearing youtubers such as Anfield say they steer clear of the game more and more due to it's state. Given that these people make money from their videos it really does say something when even they find it difficult to just suck it up and try and work around it, like they usually do.

 

Yeh, I can understand this point of view. Personally I have no problem with high alpha tanks if they're balanced. I have and use some of them. The problem IMO is when this tanks get overbuffed: too much armour, too much firepower or too much mobility. E3, in example, may need a small nerf to LFP armour but allaround is not a bad tank: it has good firepower and frontal armour, but it's slow, turn like a ship and sides and rear are almost autopen. You know is in the enemy team, so you will take countermisures to not get in its fireline in paper tanks, while armoured HTs and TDs will consider it as a priority target.

Badger, IMO, is less balanced and, of course, 268v4 is completely brocken.

But I think I got too much OT for a single post... :)



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View PostCNS97, on 17 April 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

T30 and T11E04 needs buff. 155 mm AT gun T7E2 is too slow and its really hard to survive in the game.

 

TLDR: these two tanks have been power creeped, a lot. 

 

Stuff is only OP because other stuff is balanced or UP. So what is the easy answer, no it's not nerf to OP stuff it's buffing all the UP and balanced stuff. Well that is WG's logic at least. 

 

 


Edited by ExistanceUK, 17 April 2018 - 02:39 PM.


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View PostShaade_Silentpaw, on 17 April 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

It's called balance - and it does actually apply to some tanks.

You see, the T30 and T110E4 are very versatile/flexible - playable as pseudo-heavy tanks as well as TDs.

That being said though, the T110E4's armour has fallen behind the powercreep a fair bit.

 

T30 and T110E4 turrets are too slow and adding to this, slow gun makes it further harder to play. One cannot play forward but only to choose a safe place and stick to it which is harder to find. 

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View PostCNS97, on 18 April 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

 

One cannot play forward but only to choose a safe place and stick to it which is harder to find. 

 

This is how one should play if more losses than wins is the desired result.



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View PostCNS97, on 17 April 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

 its really hard to survive in the game.

 

I wonder why :coin:

NUKLEAR_SLUG #16 Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:50 AM

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View PostSABAOTH, on 18 April 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

 

I wonder why :coin:

 

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! Ask me!

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View PostStrappster, on 17 April 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

Agreed, it should have an auto-loader.

 

Well the T57 was initially an autoloading development of the T30....with a 153mm gun. 

Seems legit. 

lnfernaI #18 Posted 18 April 2018 - 12:34 PM

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Original Obj.268 needs buffing. It's quite trash right now. There's no reason to buy it over Obj.704

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View PostStrappster, on 17 April 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

Agreed, it should have an auto-loader.

 

lol, yeah! 6 clips at least! :trollface:

Edited by _DeathWing_, 18 April 2018 - 12:40 PM.


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View PostlnfernaI, on 18 April 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

Original Obj.268 needs buffing. It's quite trash right now. There's no reason to buy it over Obj.704

 

There never was. :)




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