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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 19 April 2018 - 09:36 PM

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On the Fjords map, my RU 251 is beaten to access the central plateau from both sides by AMX 13 90.

RU needs a speed buff !



Mosjmosh #2 Posted 19 April 2018 - 09:53 PM

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Okay, so all light tanks should have the exact same top speed and acceleration? I guess the RU also needs a gun buff, as WZ-132A got higher alpha... And at the same time, give it more armor as the T-54 ltwt are better armored. Would be great for diversity.

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View PostMosjmosh, on 19 April 2018 - 10:53 PM, said:

Okay, so all light tanks should have the exact same top speed and acceleration? I guess the RU also needs a gun buff, as WZ-132A got higher alpha... And at the same time, give it more armor as the T-54 ltwt are better armored. Would be great for diversity.

 

They should replace all tanks and use a single model, so all tier 8 light tanks would have the same looks and specs, same for tier 9 TDs and so on.
There's enough diversity in keeping the current names, camos and emblems.

 

Much fun, right?


Edited by Spurtung, 19 April 2018 - 10:01 PM.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 19 April 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

On the Fjords map, my RU 251 is beaten to access the central plateau from both sides by AMX 13 90.

RU needs a speed buff !

 

So what? You want to be faster, or get up there at the same time so he can clip you?

tank276 #5 Posted 19 April 2018 - 10:16 PM

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It flips enough already with the speed it has.

It would be a true nightmare if it was even faster.



HassenderZerhacker #6 Posted 19 April 2018 - 10:55 PM

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View PostMosjmosh, on 19 April 2018 - 09:53 PM, said:

Okay, so all light tanks should have the exact same top speed and acceleration? I guess the RU also needs a gun buff, as WZ-132A got higher alpha... And at the same time, give it more armor as the T-54 ltwt are better armored. Would be great for diversity.

View PostSpurtung, on 19 April 2018 - 09:58 PM, said:

 

They should replace all tanks and use a single model, so all tier 8 light tanks would have the same looks and specs, same for tier 9 TDs and so on.
There's enough diversity in keeping the current names, camos and emblems.

 

Much fun, right?

 

currently, the RU doesn't have much going for it.

it was the fastest tank in the game.

when it meets a filthy autoloader it doesn't stand a chance, now it is even outrun by the filthy same-tier autoloader.

every tank should not be the same, but they should have their special advantages, their "specialty".

what is the RU's remaining advantage? I'm curious.

 


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Spurtung #7 Posted 19 April 2018 - 11:31 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 19 April 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

what is the RU's remaining advantage? I'm curious.

Compared to other tier 9 LTs?

 

Bet view range.

Second best camo.

Best top speed, second best specific power.

Best HP pool.

Second best standard penetration.

Best gun depression.

 

 

So...maybe the problem is you?



Tankyouverymuch2 #8 Posted 19 April 2018 - 11:41 PM

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You think the Ru needs a speed buff?... :sceptic: mmmnah

 

I, though, think that the T71 DA needs a track traverse NERF :teethhappy: I can barely keep it straight on city streets, it keeps turning too hard, and I end up in the wall.



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View PostTankyouverymuch2, on 19 April 2018 - 11:41 PM, said:

 

I, though, think that the T71 DA needs a track traverse NERF :teethhappy: I can barely keep it straight on city streets, it keeps turning too hard, and I end up in the wall.

+1 to this

 

and when someone shot my T71 Da the projectile turns my tank in a full 360 pirouette



Dava_117 #10 Posted 20 April 2018 - 12:10 AM

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Isn't RU251 that tank with 80km/h top speed while 13 90 has something like 60? Or I'm getting confused?

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View PostDava_117, on 20 April 2018 - 01:10 AM, said:

Isn't RU251 that tank with 80km/h top speed while 13 90 has something like 60? Or I'm getting confused?

 

Ru251 has been nerfed to 70, but still the fastest tier 9 LT.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 19 April 2018 - 10:55 PM, said:

 

currently, the RU doesn't have much going for it.

it was the fastest tank in the game.

when it meets a filthy autoloader it doesn't stand a chance, now it is even outrun by the filthy same-tier autoloader.

every tank should not be the same, but they should have their special advantages, their "specialty".

what is the RU's remaining advantage? I'm curious.

 

 

HEP rounds for utterly wrecking other lights.

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View PostSpurtung, on 19 April 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

 

Ru251 has been nerfed to 70, but still the fastest tier 9 LT.

 

'cept it isnt - as OP said. Due hiddenvalues magic.

 

View PostSpurtung, on 19 April 2018 - 10:31 PM, said:

Compared to other tier 9 LTs?

 

Bet view range.

Second best camo.

Best top speed, second best specific power.

Best HP pool.

Second best standard penetration.

Best gun depression.

 

 

So...maybe the problem is you?

 

All have good VR (unlike T10s)

2nd best camo isnt special

It cant use the top speed

Best HP pool negated by being complete paper all round

Pen is almost identical on all of them

Gun depression is uneven - so it hardly matter

 

Its worst of the T9's. And so generic and boring. At T8's it used to be special. It had high DPM on good gun and high top speed.. Now like the T10 its worst in class.


Edited by tumppi776, 20 April 2018 - 06:45 AM.


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View Posttumppi776, on 20 April 2018 - 05:51 AM, said:

 

'cept it isnt - as OP said. Due hiddenvalues magic.

 

 

All have good VR (unlike T10s)

2nd best camo isnt special

It can use the top speed

Best HP pool negated by being complete paper all round

Pen is almost identical on all of them

Gun depression is uneven - so it hardly matter

 

Its worst of the T9's. And so generic and boring. At T8's it used to be special. It had high DPM on good gun and high top speed.. Now like the T10 its worst in class.

 

I couldn't have put it better, thanks.

 



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View Posttank276, on 20 April 2018 - 12:16 AM, said:

It flips enough already with the speed it has.

It would be a true nightmare if it was even faster.

 

did a 360 flip yesterday http://wotreplays.eu..._hpanzer_ru_251 beat that !

 



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RU is a sniper light just like the RhmPz, this means they need standard penetration that is high enough to penetrate their targets at range, so at least 230/240 for the RU251 and 260/270 for the RhmPz.

 

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Ru251 plays like a dream, really nice and fun tank. Rhm pzw, not played yet, looks like a big turd (gameplay wise).

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Bet view range.

Second best camo.

Best top speed, second best specific power.

Best HP pool.

Second best standard penetration.

Best gun depression.

 

-Gun dep is lie. To front Ru have less then 6 degree, T49 have -10 to front and side. 
-Second best pen, like if he would have 20 more then T54LT that would matter something.
-This HP give him nothing.
-Camo is good, but not like rest LT have way worse camo, right ? 

-Second worst dpm, only better then autoloader, that suck hard. Plus he have no armor or derp gun to really feel unqiue.
-Soft stats on gun that arent even best in class. 
-Mobility soft stats worse then Soviet LT who have armor going for him which is funny. 
-View range is same as T49, so not best in class. 

But then again, Ru look better then tier X in compere to rest of LT of their tiers. 



Hiisi #19 Posted 21 April 2018 - 11:27 AM

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Ru-251 needs -10 depression in the front (model should be able to make it possible) and it would be ok. It's quite ok, but frontal depression currently kills it.

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View Postares354, on 20 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

-Gun dep is lie. To front Ru have less then 6 degree, T49 have -10 to front and side. 

Almost never is an issue to me, unlike the clumsiness of the gun depression on the amx m4 for example.


-This HP give him nothing.

Really? Quite often you can just take an extra hit, with 200hp less hp or so you would be dead already.


-Camo is good, but not like rest LT have way worse camo, right ? 
T49 is big and has awful camo and doesn't really fit in a stealthy play style. All others are more or less equal I suppose?


-Second worst dpm, only better then autoloader, that suck hard. Plus he have no armor or derp gun to really feel unqiue.
-Soft stats on gun that arent even best in class. 

-Second best pen, like if he would have 20 more then T54LT that would matter something.

It's the combination of all the gun and tank characteristics that make it a good gun. Dpm doesn't really stand out versus the rest, but combined with the penetration, accuracy, bloom statistics, shell velocity (even better with heat cuz reasons), mobility and gun depression it really makes the gun comfortable to use. Unlike the potato launcer on the wz-132a for example, which might have better dpm (and alpha) but the gun and tank is overall much worse than the ru.


-Mobility soft stats worse then Soviet LT who have armor going for him which is funny.

Ru251 has plenty of strenghts.

 

-View range is same as T49, so not best in class. 

For a reaction on this see the image below. Honest question, have you played the tank?

But then again, Ru look better then tier X in compere to rest of LT of their tiers. 

 






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