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Voja_DaRealMVP #1 Posted 20 April 2018 - 08:14 AM

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Just a thread about the most dumb mechanic in the game atm. The RNG on penetration. It would be a good idea to add an additional option that can be checked out or just added by default. I.e. Shot = DMG roll (PEN roll), in other words you shoot something with your WZ 5A (HEAT) = 490 (340), imo this would be a very useful utility for good players. At least let us know how unlucky we get when we bounce a flat Type 5 driver hatch "weakspot" (280mm) with our as mentioned above 5A HEAT round (340mm). So yea, shouldn't be too hard, just to add pen rolls encased next to the dmg roll/bouce off a shot = (PEN roll) pops up only. This way i will know when to just ALT + F4 the game, which will greatly impact on my and the health of many others. Regards.

DaddysLittlePrincess #2 Posted 20 April 2018 - 08:24 AM

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Yes, please!

ricoBenitez1 #3 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:00 AM

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so you can ALT+F4 and leave your team 1 less tank what a stupid idea

MaxxyNL #4 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:02 AM

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View PostVoja_DaRealMVP, on 20 April 2018 - 08:14 AM, said:

This way i will know when to just ALT + F4 the game

 

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Kozzy #5 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:06 AM

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View PostVoja_DaRealMVP, on 20 April 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

Just a thread about the most dumb mechanic in the game atm. The RNG on penetration. It would be a good idea to add an additional option that can be checked out or just added by default. I.e. Shot = DMG roll (PEN roll), in other words you shoot something with your WZ 5A (HEAT) = 490 (340), imo this would be a very useful utility for good players. At least let us know how unlucky we get when we bounce a flat Type 5 driver hatch "weakspot" (280mm) with our as mentioned above 5A HEAT round (340mm). So yea, shouldn't be too hard, just to add pen rolls encased next to the dmg roll/bouce off a shot = (PEN roll) pops up only. This way i will know when to just ALT + F4 the game, which will greatly impact on my and the health of many others. Regards.

 

Was liking this idea until the last part where things got a bit 'faily'.

 

Ok I better understand the OP after his further clarification and do like the idea.


Edited by Kozzy, 20 April 2018 - 11:04 AM.


sgtYester #6 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:15 AM

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yeah rng on pen is way to high

 



Voja_DaRealMVP #7 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:19 AM

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Sorry for not being so clear and specific, in the ALT + F4 part i was referring to quit the game after it ends or after my tank gets deatroyed, not abandon it mid game if there is still dmg to farm. Btw this statistic was hidden for far too long, because it's designers knew of how dumb it was. Time for some unmasking.

Edited by Voja_DaRealMVP, 20 April 2018 - 09:22 AM.


DaddysLittlePrincess #8 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:20 AM

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View PostsgtYester, on 20 April 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

yeah rng on pen is way to high

 

 

It's not about about RNG being to high (well, it is, but it's another story). It's about the fact that game doesn't give you information what pen value you rolled, so you can't tell if you aimed badly or just RNG effed you. 

Edited by DaddysLittlePrincess, 20 April 2018 - 09:21 AM.


unhappy_bunny #9 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:20 AM

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View PostVoja_DaRealMVP, on 20 April 2018 - 08:14 AM, said:

Just a thread about the most dumb mechanic in the game atm. The RNG on penetration. It would be a good idea to add an additional option that can be checked out or just added by default. I.e. Shot = DMG roll (PEN roll), in other words you shoot something with your WZ 5A (HEAT) = 490 (340), imo this would be a very useful utility for good players. At least let us know how unlucky we get when we bounce a flat Type 5 driver hatch "weakspot" (280mm) with our as mentioned above 5A HEAT round (340mm). So yea, shouldn't be too hard, just to add pen rolls encased next to the dmg roll/bouce off a shot = (PEN roll) pops up only. This way i will know when to just ALT + F4 the game, which will greatly impact on my and the health of many others. Regards.

 

Why would a "good" player want this? 

Surely a "good" player would be striving harder for the win, relishing the additional challenge, and enjoying the adreniline rush that comes from doing your best and overcoming all the odds?

Or does a "good" player mean someone who is just concerned with their own stats?

 

 

Sorry, posted this before I saw the OP's clarification. 

 

I can understand the interest in seeing the rng effect on a shot, but I fear that having it shown in-game could lead to more frustration, and saltiness, and a lot more complaint threads along the lines of "RNG IS RIGGED" accompanied by multiple screenshots showing how unfairly treated a player was. 


Edited by unhappy_bunny, 20 April 2018 - 09:26 AM.


Voja_DaRealMVP #10 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:24 AM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 20 April 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

 

Why would a "good" player want this? 

Surely a "good" player would be striving harder for the win, relishing the additional challenge, and enjoying the adreniline rush that comes from doing your best and overcoming all the odds?

Or does a "good" player mean someone who is just concerned with their own stats?

 

 

You are so out of meta good sir.



Dava_117 #11 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:25 AM

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It would probably bring more frustration, especially to me, than it would be useful. Afterall pen have just 2 results: pen or not pen, so the effective penetration value is not that important...

unhappy_bunny #12 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:26 AM

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View PostVoja_DaRealMVP, on 20 April 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

 

 

You are so out of meta good sir.

I know. I amended my post after I read your clarification post.



Strappster #13 Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:48 AM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 20 April 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

I can understand the interest in seeing the rng effect on a shot, but I fear that having it shown in-game could lead to more frustration, and saltiness, and a lot more complaint threads along the lines of "RNG IS RIGGED" accompanied by multiple screenshots showing how unfairly treated a player was. 

 

On the positive side, it could lead to lots of threads discussing normalisation, 2x and 3x overmatch rules, ricochets, double pens, effective armour, penetration drop-off over range and ... :ohmy:

 

... wait ... :unsure:

 

... no, it'd just lead to more threads started with an angry rant and some broad insults followed by a confused discussion about mechanics while the OP goes straight back to playing the game and doesn't bother to post again until their next rant. Never mind. :sceptic:



Geno1isme #14 Posted 20 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

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Would be interesting to know for sure, but likely cause even more tinfoil hat theories about broken armor models when people aren't aware of impact angles.

Jigabachi #15 Posted 20 April 2018 - 10:53 AM

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The only positive thing would be that people could collect more data during their matchrs. Or, in other words, we could fend off nonsense puking dumbobs more easily when they decide to haunt the forums.

Apart from that, I don't see a real purpose. When you don't penetrate the enemy that you should have penned with an average roll, you obviously had a lowroll.

WhoCares01 #16 Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:41 PM

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I kind of like the idea, but it should provide two values (pen roll/effective armor hit), and while we are at it maybe angle of impact as well. Just the pen roll still leaves to much room for interpretation/speculation.


Edited by WhoCares01, 20 April 2018 - 01:42 PM.


SaintMaddenus #17 Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:44 PM

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But people told me Alt F4 gave me gold...   no wonder wg ignore my bug fix tickets on this.....

Kirk_Helmet #18 Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:49 PM

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The information on how much penetration you really rolled in a shot could indeed be useful.

Kozzy #19 Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:52 PM

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View PostKirk_Helmet, on 20 April 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

The information on how much penetration you really rolled in a shot could indeed be useful.

 

I would love to know every shot's (fired and received) actual damage and pen roll.  Why not?  Would be easy for WG to display this info and would be very handy to explain unexpected things that happen in WoT.

Kirk_Helmet #20 Posted 20 April 2018 - 02:14 PM

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View PostKozzy, on 20 April 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

I would love to know every shot's (fired and received) actual damage and pen roll.  Why not?  Would be easy for WG to display this info and would be very handy to explain unexpected things that happen in WoT.

 

Yes, that would help a lot to improve. You could know if your well aimed shot from a proper angle didn't penetrate because of a bad penetration roll or just because it wasn't so well aimed. Same as it would be nice to know if you got penetrated because you didn't angle your armor properly or because enemy had some extremely high penetration roll (except when someone dubbed "2" key and your angling became not much of a factor).




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