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tomosten #1 Posted 22 April 2018 - 01:08 PM

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It might sound like a troll question but really what is the point? Today after 10-ish tier 10 battles I have got full tier 10 MM every time but once.

Tier 10 doesnt grind anything, you dont make any credits talking about and as I said full tier 10 MM almost every battle. Its just boring. The only point I can think of being in the highest tier is to be top tank and stomp on tier 8 and 9 all day. If I cant do that why would I play it? I have not enjoyed even one battle today in my tier 10 tanks.

I honestly think I might enjoy myself more in a tier 1 tank.

 

Some might say its for the challenge. I couldnt care less. I dont play for stats, e-[edited]or similar.



Kurat666 #2 Posted 22 April 2018 - 01:16 PM

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I find it boring too. WG said they rebalance TX - I liked it more before the rebalancing. TX tanks seem to be too good for current maps. They are fine in CW I guess, but in random it creates slow and boring battles. I played a lot in tier X some years ago - but nowdays not anymore.

Hammerhead20 #3 Posted 22 April 2018 - 01:16 PM

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If you don't like tier X battles and it's boring to you when don't play it.

 

Just sold your tier X tanks and stick with tier IX. It's the best tier in the game right now.

 

Just my advice.



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View Posttomosten, on 22 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

It might sound like a troll question but really what is the point? Today after 10-ish tier 10 battles I have got full tier 10 MM every time but once.

Tier 10 doesnt grind anything, you dont make any credits talking about and as I said full tier 10 MM almost every battle. Its just boring. The only point I can think of being in the highest tier is to be top tank and stomp on tier 8 and 9 all day. If I cant do that why would I play it? I have not enjoyed even one battle today in my tier 10 tanks.

I honestly think I might enjoy myself more in a tier 1 tank.

 

Some might say its for the challenge. I couldnt care less. I dont play for stats, e-[edited]or similar.

 

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How_hard_can_it_be #5 Posted 22 April 2018 - 01:19 PM

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The challenge in itself is enough reason for majority of tier 10 players to keep playing. This is the most demanding place where you can test yourself in this game. Competitiveness must be your second name to enjoy it. I like playing non-meta tanks so for me tier 10 keeps getting tougher and tougher. Tier 9 is where you can enjoy high tier competitiveness and a bit of 7 tier trashing to unwind and boost your ego if you don't feel like up to the tier 10 challenge.

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View PostHow_hard_can_it_be, on 22 April 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

The challenge in itself is enough reason for majority of tier 10 players to keep playing. This is the most demanding place where you can test yourself in this game. Competitiveness must be your second name to enjoy it. I like playing non-meta tanks so for me tier 10 keeps getting tougher and tougher. Tier 9 is where you can enjoy high tier competitiveness and a bit of 7 tier trashing to unwind and boost your ego if you don't feel like up to the tier 10 challenge.

That is the "problem" with me too. That raises an interesting question: should there even be "non-meta" tanks in game? Shouldnt they all be competitive with their strengths and weaknesses?



Tom_Deekanarry #7 Posted 22 April 2018 - 01:42 PM

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Well if you reach tier X then what's the problem with fighting other tier X's?

 

Or are you complaining because you don't get enough easy kills from VIII's and IX's?



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Tier X would be fun if it was balanced. But it is not. Almost every new tier 10 come to powercreep 1 ore more T10.

Some example:

113 -> IS-7/5A -> 277

E3 -> Badger -> 268v4

121 -> 430U

Leopard 1 -> almost every T10 med

And so on.

Those imbalances makes T10 almost pointless, not the fact that T10 get almost only single tier mm. Who would care to stomp bottomtier (except Steve the IS-7 driver) if you could get a balanced and challenging environment to test your skills. But thanks to WG greedness this will never be true. 


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View PostKurat666, on 22 April 2018 - 01:29 PM, said:

That is the "problem" with me too. That raises an interesting question: should there even be "non-meta" tanks in game? Shouldnt they all be competitive with their strengths and weaknesses?

 

It's in WG's interest as a business enterprise to keep out dating old tanks by introducing better and better tanks. It wouldn't make sense for financial reasons to keep people satisfied with, let's say, FCM 50t or any other disgraced tanks in the tech tree. They're not interested in us enjoying the same tanks forever and ever. The good old " if you can't beat them, join them " saying applies very well. It's so disgusting to play some tanks that it's really no wonder why people flock to the "right" tanks as it is what WG has aimed for. As sad as it is, it is also probably necessary to keep this game alive. money flowing.

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View PostDava_117, on 22 April 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

Tier X would be fun if it was balanced. But it is not. Almost every new tier 10 come to powercreep 1 ore more T10.

Some example:

113 -> IS-7/5A -> 277 - ​player can make the difference

E3 -> Badger -> 268v4 - ​V4 is at a different league - I doubt it can be classed as a TD in its current state

121 -> 430U -  player can make the difference

Leopard 1 -> almost every T10 med -  very good player can make the difference

And so on.

Those imbalances makes T10 almost pointless, not the fact that T10 get almost only single tier mm. Who would care to stomp bottomtier (except Steve the IS-7 driver) if you could get a balanced and challenging environment to test your skills. But thanks to WG greedness this will never be true. 

some toughts in blue. Otherwise agree



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Less rng becouse of better gun handling, barely any new players  and no two tier higher tanks.

If you dont like it, dont play it



shikaka9 #12 Posted 22 April 2018 - 03:20 PM

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to have nice looking stats or to be always top tier 

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View PostKurat666, on 22 April 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

some toughts in blue. Otherwise agree

 

Oh, I agree too. A good player in a powercrept tank would probably defeat a noob on the new shiny tank, but are those tanks still on par when the player skill level is the same? :)



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View PostDava_117, on 22 April 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

Oh, I agree too. A good player in a powercrept tank would probably defeat a noob on the new shiny tank, but are those tanks still on par when the player skill level is the same? :)

 

​Depends on conditions. If one plays better using the strong qualities of his tank, then he should win. It isnt always a case ofc (maps, other players etc), but if you want the tanks to be on par in every situation - then what is the point of different tanks?  The Problem is that Rasha tanks are good at almost everything, NATO ones arent. That fcks up the gameplay IMHO. And those rare qualities NATO tanks have, are not good enough to have an edge (accuracy for exaple). Also the gun depression difference should be -5 max for Rasha tanks. High shilouette is the cost for gun depression. 

The Rasha tanks should do everything that other trees do, and even better in WGs mind. A sniper is on the way:facepalm:



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View PostKurat666, on 22 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

 

​Depends on conditions. If one plays better using the strong qualities of his tank, then he should win. It isnt always a case ofc (maps, other players etc), but if you want the tanks to be on par in every situation - then what is the point of different tanks?  The Problem is that Rasha tanks are good at almost everything, NATO ones arent. That fcks up the gameplay IMHO. And those rare qualities NATO tanks have, are not good enough to have an edge (accuracy for exaple). Also the gun depression difference should be -5 max for Rasha tanks. High shilouette is the cost for gun depression. 

The Rasha tanks should do everything that other trees do, and even better in WGs mind. A sniper is on the way:facepalm:

 

Again I agree, but what you described is not a powercreep problem, but it's a more general balance problem.

Let's take 113 and 5A as an example of powercreep. Both are chinese, bot are heavyum. But there is almost anything that 113 can do that 5A can't do better. Why a player should buy 113 instead 5A?

WG introduced 5A making 113 obsolete so people would grind exp to get the last T10. That is really bad IMO. It destroys balance and make wot risicoulous as an e-sport. Tons of games earns more money than wot while being less prone to powercreep and more balanced. So it's not really a money case, just greedness and bad management, IMO.



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It can't be the challenge.  Challenging is playing a tier 8 tech tree tank which is bottom tier 90%+ of the time.   I suspect most play it because it is more 'consistent' (less 44%ers) and easier to pad your WR if you are above average and don't mind burning credits on gold

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It should be the epitome of your grind and fatigue.

In your team you have a better/superior tank, better capabilities mean bigger responsabilities to carry your team to victory.

The highest point of tier10 are the clan war where coordinated teams fight each others for lands and gold prizes; plus of course other tournaments.

 

Put a clan war in a random match and everything wil get throw out the window.
As Dava wrote that is the point. Add to that the fact that in a monotier games you have the mathematical certainty to encounter more unbalanced tanks.

The MM magnifies the problem, and monotier games ARE the problem (10>9>8) below 8, also thanks to different viewranges, the problem fade away.

Of course play a tier 8 and constantly be bottom tier is another big issue that is strictly correlated.



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 The point was to show how little life you actually have by getting one asap. 
Of course, 6 years later everyone and their mother has one, so now the point is to show everyone how much you can actually suck in one of the tanks with the best damage, hp and armor while also bouncing 300+ pen with your gold shoots :D . At least that's what the ones I encounter seem determined to do. 

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View Posttomosten, on 22 April 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

It might sound like a troll question but really what is the point? Today after 10-ish tier 10 battles I have got full tier 10 MM every time but once.

Tier 10 doesnt grind anything, you dont make any credits talking about and as I said full tier 10 MM almost every battle. Its just boring. The only point I can think of being in the highest tier is to be top tank and stomp on tier 8 and 9 all day. If I cant do that why would I play it? I have not enjoyed even one battle today in my tier 10 tanks.

I honestly think I might enjoy myself more in a tier 1 tank.

 

Some might say its for the challenge. I couldnt care less. I dont play for stats, e-[edited]or similar.

 

I have yet to get my first tier X tank (It will be the IS7, and the driver will not be called Steve:D)  Maybe we all await the tier 11, surely it has to come?

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View Postkaptainkrunch, on 22 April 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

 

I have yet to get my first tier X tank (It will be the IS7, and the driver will not be called Steve:D)  Maybe we all await the tier 11, surely it has to come?

 

it won't, simply because that would mean the addition of these things:

ATGM's, ERA, CAGE, Composite armor etc. and while it's possible to add these things, it would completely trow any from of balance out of the window. For example the current tier X's would be unable to pen the tier XI's at all from the front (even with HEAT) and ATGM's would be worse then arty is. (Yes, that's how awfull they would be)

 






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