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avr7002 #1 Posted 22 April 2018 - 05:58 PM

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121 need buff or removed into tier 9. In tier 10 place it is just wasted slot. It is hard to balance to any other tier 10 tanks. It cant work on distance, because gun handling and penetration is too bad for sniper shots. It cant work on close distance, because it has no armour. All tanks pen its turret from front with normal ammo. It is just point and shoot tank. It cant reach any medium tank spots, too slow. On medium distance it has no armour nor gun handling or agility for snapshots. Not to mention bad gun depression. I have near 1000 battles, with very good crew and BIA, vent and food. All solo random. WR is 43. Tank is very RNG dependant. Usually I have 1 good battle with about 3000 dmg and then 2 bad battles with low dmg. After battle report shows often 8 shots fired, 3 hits, 1 pen. I use lot of gold ammo, but there is practically no difference, gold ammo didnt pen nothing but E100.



spuriousmonkey #2 Posted 22 April 2018 - 07:17 PM

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I agree with the buff, and only because it has absolutely nothing going for it besides a little bit more alpha. And for that it gets punished in all other areas of the gun dynamics.

 

Just give it the IS-3 gun. That gun is better than the current one.



SenpaiKun #3 Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:28 PM

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it's crap, nor armor, no speed, crapgun, nothing

SenpaiKun #4 Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:29 PM

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every other soviet med is better in any other aspect, except alfa, but what is the use of big alfa when you are dead and can't bloody do anyhting

Flavortown #5 Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:51 PM

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give it 490 alpha :hiding:

KillingJoker #6 Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:53 PM

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Considering the itnroduction of the 430U and the fact the 121 is so rarely seen in games i think its gun handling of the 121 needs to be improved 

in order to at least have something other tanks dont offer.

 

the gun depression is poor, the aimtime is worse than the competition, the dispersion etc etc, thouse things must be changed so people can have a motive to use it over other options.



Beltalowda #7 Posted 30 May 2018 - 11:17 PM

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There is only one Nation in WoT WG cares about and it ain't Chinese. 6 out of last 8 updates were heavily focused on improving Soviet vehicles, this is not gonna change.

 

If it ain't Soviet no one in WG would even consider looking at the possibility of a buff.



IZMIR_METRO #8 Posted 30 May 2018 - 11:54 PM

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I have an idea of 121 will be next powercreep after a year or so for WG's new free exp money milker tank (like Maus, t110e5, wtf e100, bobject)

IZMIR_METRO #9 Posted 30 May 2018 - 11:55 PM

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View PostTrewSx, on 30 May 2018 - 11:17 PM, said:

There is only one Nation in WoT WG cares about and it ain't Chinese. 6 out of last 8 updates were heavily focused on improving Soviet vehicles, this is not gonna change.

 

If it ain't Soviet no one in WG would even consider looking at the possibility of a buff.

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IZMIR_METRO #10 Posted 30 May 2018 - 11:57 PM

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View Postavr7002, on 22 April 2018 - 05:58 PM, said:

121 need buff or removed into tier 9. In tier 10 place it is just wasted slot. It is hard to balance to any other tier 10 tanks. It cant work on distance, because gun handling and penetration is too bad for sniper shots. It cant work on close distance, because it has no armour. All tanks pen its turret from front with normal ammo. It is just point and shoot tank. It cant reach any medium tank spots, too slow. On medium distance it has no armour nor gun handling or agility for snapshots. Not to mention bad gun depression. I have near 1000 battles, with very good crew and BIA, vent and food. All solo random. WR is 43. Tank is very RNG dependant. Usually I have 1 good battle with about 3000 dmg and then 2 bad battles with low dmg. After battle report shows often 8 shots fired, 3 hits, 1 pen. I use lot of gold ammo, but there is practically no difference, gold ammo didnt pen nothing but E100.

Yes it's the most obvious tier 10 that desperates for buff but WG doesn't care about player feedback neither this forum 

 

They don't even care about their community contributors ideas (watch MarkGFL rant)


Edited by IZMIR_METRO, 30 May 2018 - 11:58 PM.


ValkyrionX #11 Posted 31 May 2018 - 08:28 AM

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121 is fine, this tank need only more armor in the turret.. 240 on the front is not good.. 270 can be better for the front turret , and +20 on the frontal hull

Saif #12 Posted 14 November 2018 - 09:40 PM

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View PostKillingJoker, on 30 May 2018 - 09:53 PM, said:

Considering the itnroduction of the 430U and the fact the 121 is so rarely seen in games i think its gun handling of the 121 needs to be improved 

in order to at least have something other tanks dont offer.

 

the gun depression is poor, the aimtime is worse than the competition, the dispersion etc etc, thouse things must be changed so people can have a motive to use it over other options.

 

There is no point of playing 121 if there is 430U.

demon_tank #13 Posted 14 November 2018 - 10:44 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 31 May 2018 - 07:28 AM, said:

121 is fine, this tank need only more armor in the turret.. 240 on the front is not good.. 270 can be better for the front turret , and +20 on the frontal hull

 

Wrong.

 

What 121 needs (& the 113) is for the 430U to get its alpha nerffed to 400 so the 121 and 113 have a novelty. With the state of the 430U the 121 and 113 are IRRELEVANT tanks. No buff will fix them.

 

430U is strong enough that the nerff wont affect it. And they can also buff its ROF by 5% to compensate.



Saif #14 Posted 16 November 2018 - 07:38 AM

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View PostBeltalowda, on 30 May 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

There is only one Nation in WoT WG cares about and it ain't Chinese. 6 out of last 8 updates were heavily focused on improving Soviet vehicles, this is not gonna change.

 

If it ain't Soviet no one in WG would even consider looking at the possibility of a buff.

 

They gona do smething it they want chinese players to come back to WOT.

121 needs Buff!!!



Gardar7 #15 Posted 16 November 2018 - 08:25 AM

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I played only a few battles with it and I sold it when 430U arrived. The is no point in using this tank. But the same goes for STB-1 Ithink. There is the Centurion AX which does everything better.

Saif #16 Posted 16 November 2018 - 09:19 AM

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http://Posted Image

As you can see this are top played medium T10 tanks

after 430U buff, people completley stoped playing 121


Edited by Saif, 16 November 2018 - 09:21 AM.


arthurwellsley #17 Posted 16 November 2018 - 09:29 AM

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But 121 got buffed in July 2017 (just think how bad it was before then).

Patch 9.19.1;

 

Changes to Technical Characteristics of Vehicles

China:

  • 121: Changed the depression angle of the 122 mm 60-122T gun from -3.5 deg. to -5 deg.

 

source = https://worldoftanks...e-announcement/



DuncaN_101 #18 Posted 16 November 2018 - 09:44 AM

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That buff... Although not bad... Doesn't really sets it apart from the 430U.
It's still the poor man's 430U

fwhaatpiraat #19 Posted 16 November 2018 - 09:46 AM

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430U is indeed far better and by no means balanced. That is exactly what WG wanted.

Saif #20 Posted 16 November 2018 - 05:21 PM

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View PostGardar7, on 16 November 2018 - 07:25 AM, said:

I played only a few battles with it and I sold it when 430U arrived. The is no point in using this tank. But the same goes for STB-1 Ithink. There is the Centurion AX which does everything better.

 

yep they introduce new tank and old needs to get buffed easy




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