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Omeon #1 Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:40 PM

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I mostly drive scouts and I'm getting fed up of getting rammed, pushed out of cover and one-shot or killed by team players when ever some idiot thinks he can boss me around. Because light's dont have a lot of Hp one shot can make u completely messed up or killed in battle. If I try to defend my self or shoot back it usually gets me banned because it takes me a lot more shots to take out who ever is shooting at me then it takes them. By normal law anywhere in the world you are permitted to defend your self and I dont see why it should be any different here. I'm therefore asking WG to please reconsider the band rules and give players the wright to defend themselves and take out team players that shoot you and specifically decide to ram scouts. Maybe people will start thinking twice before shooting anybody after that, and might also make people take extra care in not hitting others by mistake in battle.

Edited by Omeon, 23 April 2018 - 04:54 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #2 Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:52 PM

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Doesn't happen to me. You sure you're not doing something to cause it?

Nethraniel #3 Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:58 PM

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(semi) pro tip... if driving lights stay the hell away from team mates... especially if they are close behind you... they get spotted, you don't, but you catch the fire they are getting.

 

Seriously, lights are better off, if they are not too close to other friendly tanks, either you go spotting at the front line or you take the flanks. You are not achieving much by staying somewhere and kemp bush, when your team is already there (else they could not push you).


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Sirebellus #4 Posted 23 April 2018 - 05:02 PM

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Not a problem that happens to me a lot either, but I do have some sympathy with the OP's thoughts on the team damage system...

It must be fairly easy for WG to change it so that it isn't the number of times you do damage to a Team Mate, but the percentage of damage you do - say, do more than 50% base HP damage of a team mates tank and you go blue - this way 'big guns' will not be able to derp their team mates without turning blue, and a scout will be able to fire 2 or 3 shots in a fit of rage against their oppressor and not go blue


 



Andrius #5 Posted 23 April 2018 - 05:20 PM

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Had this happen to me too a few times, usually when i scout passively and snipe with my Rheinmetall Panzerwagen, which is trained and equipped for max camo and view range. Most ppl just shout at me telling to move forward and suicide, even though i have the range to spot and snipe from my bush. But there have also been some idiots who tried to push me to my death.

 

Recently i had a match on Lakeville map, where i positioned myself pretty close to our base at ~G5 and i was already spotting a lot of enemy tanks from there, but some idiot in a tank destroyer started spamming chat and then came up from behind me and started pushing me forward... I just barely managed to move around him and retreat, he tried really hard to block me from doing so...



Shaade_Silentpaw #6 Posted 23 April 2018 - 05:27 PM

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View PostOmeon, on 23 April 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

I'm getting fed up of getting rammed, pushed out of cover

 

Do you by any chance spend alot of time sitting in bushes/cover far away from the enemy team and snipe at them, rather than being in a forward position scouting and spotting?

If the answer is yes, it would explain alot.



kk40270 #7 Posted 23 April 2018 - 06:10 PM

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I also play a lot with scouts. Do i get rammed? Never... U shoul think again about your playstyle. I dont even know how is it possible to get rammed by your teammates if u play light tank.

 

Keep your teammates 100m behind u and learn how spotting works. After that u dont get bullied anymore.



German_Dunc #8 Posted 23 April 2018 - 09:20 PM

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There's passive spotting, and then there's just sitting in a bush hoping something wanders into view range...

 

First four games this evening featured Tier X LTs on open maps, sitting behind everyone else. Their combined spots across four games was three, total about 2k assist.

 

By game four, Malinovka, with a 13 105 sitting behind me in CAX, I lost my temper and pushed him. He shot me, then returned to his camping bush behind me. By game end he'd spotted 1, done 1200 damage, and 0 assist. He wasn't even spotting late game. As the only light on Malinovka... 

 

If you play like that, then there's your reason.



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View PostOmeon, on 23 April 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

I mostly drive scouts and I'm getting fed up of getting rammed, pushed out of cover and one-shot or killed by team players

 

How about you start being a team player as well? I'm pretty sure all the pain will stop immediately for you.

PhooBar #10 Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:34 PM

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Getting rammed and shot at by team players?

Those aren't called team players laddie.  Those are called arseholes.

Post us a replay?
 



Tipperty #11 Posted 24 April 2018 - 01:18 AM

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Yeah, this happens to me all the time. Sitting spotting tanks in a bush, a med or heavy will want the bush and push me out or sit behind me shooting and I become his spaced armour.

 

Then there is the point where I am working a corner and popping in and out when the heavies or med have fired and harassing the enemy, while getting my damage. Then a med or heavy will come along and push me out because they want the corner.

 

Then there are the numpties that come up behind me, while I am working a ridge and I can't pull back and I lose all of my HP or most of it.

 

Like today, I am in my Lt-100 on mines on the hill, shooting at a T110E4 in the [edited], who for the most part is ignoring me, so free damage. Then along comes a MOD 1 who obviously wants the spot and decides to try and push me off the hill, but I managed to turn my tank and stay up. I might have then pushed him off :hiding: call me childish, but Karma is a (edited) and I had about 4-5 games today where teammates had screwed me over, so I kind of had my fill and needed to empty the tank.


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Omeon #12 Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:24 PM

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Interestingly this post proves my point,.. as it more about if I'm doing a proper job as a scout, then it is about team mates not ramming and shooting team players. Goes to show that people dont mind shooting the scouts if they feel or dont understand what he or she is doing. And yes I do a lot of passive spotting as well as active depending on my take on the situation. Sometimes I just hold and control wile other time I go in and brawl. There will always be some idiot that doesn't agree on when or how... But that doesn't give him the wright to start shooting or overtake my pos (witch usually gets them killed also). the ramming mostly happens at the start of battle when the scouts have be placed in bad starting position.

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View PostOmeon, on 23 April 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

If I try to defend my self or shoot back it usually gets me banned because it takes me a lot more shots to take out who ever is shooting at me then it takes them. 

 

Found 1. Problem sir... usually,,,, is the keyword here,,, NEWER newer and newer shot back, know it can be hard NOT to, but don't do it,,, let the other xxx hole be blue, not you...

 



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View PostOmeon, on 23 April 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

I mostly drive scouts and I'm getting fed up of getting rammed, pushed out of cover and one-shot or killed by team players when ever some idiot thinks he can boss me around. Because light's dont have a lot of Hp one shot can make u completely messed up or killed in battle. If I try to defend my self or shoot back it usually gets me banned because it takes me a lot more shots to take out who ever is shooting at me then it takes them. By normal law anywhere in the world you are permitted to defend your self and I dont see why it should be any different here. I'm therefore asking WG to please reconsider the band rules and give players the wright to defend themselves and take out team players that shoot you and specifically decide to ram scouts. Maybe people will start thinking twice before shooting anybody after that, and might also make people take extra care in not hitting others by mistake in battle.

 

stop playing then

Bulldog_Drummond #15 Posted 26 April 2018 - 11:14 PM

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OP has a good point and TBH we have all probably outgrown the whole 15 vs 15 teams idea.

 

Far better to release 30 tanks onto the map and have them fire at will.  Last man standing wins.



TungstenHitman #16 Posted 26 April 2018 - 11:26 PM

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Well most the time the only thing that can one shot a light tank is big alpha gun and those tend to be TDs and TDs tend to play sniper at the back of the map and so if you are being pushed and one shot by TDs that means you are also at the back of the map, case closed, git gud, scout like you should or play another class of tank. This is not being a smartass btw, it literally kills a team if a light tank player sucks, it's a specialist class and playstyle often unfairly labeled as "just driving around the map quickly like a noob" but to do it well takes experience and map knowledge of where an when and such. 

 

If it's a city map you do what you want to do but open maps you really need to play the scout role there are simply no better tanks at doing this and you should do this and if you do it well you make a LOT of xp and credits from doing it so you need to know that if it's an open map and your team have nothing to shoot and they start taking shots from enemy tanks they can't see all the while the light tank is camping hard red line at the back with the TD's don't be surprised if you eventually get team ko'd.. born of frustration. It is wrong but I can understand them. Try another class, again not being a smartass, I think it would take this negative experience away from you and you will be happier and get no such grief. If you like camping at the back and that sort of stuff, play TDs, or SPG, whatever but not a light tank or heavy tank. 



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I dont have a problem understanding how to do a proper job scouting and do better than most. I sometimes even do stuff that the general public dont understand until the game is over. And when I do, some moron figures he going to shoot me. Im often on top of the list both in damage exp and most importantly spotting damage. The problem here isn't how I scout but its the morons that start shooting you when you dont do exactly what they want or are used to. Often just the fact that you been able to survive after the heavy group have made a fool of the selves is enough to trigger the shouting. So please lets move on and get back to the topic.

 

Ps.: I dont mind being blue from time time just make the assholes that start shooting you to think twice about doing it the next time. At least until WG does something about this.


Edited by Omeon, 27 April 2018 - 12:02 AM.


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View PostOmeon, on 26 April 2018 - 11:53 PM, said:

I dont have a problem understanding how to do a proper job scouting and do better than most. I sometimes even do stuff that the general public dont understand until the game is over. And when I do, some moron figures he going to shoot me. Im often on top of the list both in damage exp and most importantly spotting damage. The problem here isn't how I scout but its the morons that start shooting you when you dont do exactly what they want or are used to. Often just the fact that you been able to survive after the heavy group have made a fool of the selves is enough to trigger the shouting. So please lets move on and get back to the topic.

 

 

 I'm going to question that.

 

Sure you can sit back and farm damage but that doesn't mean you're performing the scout role. Your WR in scout tanks suggests that actually you don't understand the role fully and if your being TK'd by your own team that further suggests the problem here is less about your team not understanding your tactics but more that you're not doing what you need to do.



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View PostOmeon, on 23 April 2018 - 05:40 PM, said:

By normal law anywhere in the world you are permitted to defend your self and I dont see why it should be any different here. I'm therefore asking WG to please reconsider the band rules and give players the wright to defend themselves and take out team players that shoot you and specifically decide to ram scouts.

 

Don't shoot greens, that's it. If they do, they'll eventually get banned, no need to lose your temper over that. Unless you're American, that is, if you are, give them some freedom.



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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 26 April 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

OP has a good point and TBH we have all probably outgrown the whole 15 vs 15 teams idea.

 

Far better to release 30 tanks onto the map and have them fire at will.  Last man standing wins.

 

Poor Will. Why does everyone fire at him?




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