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TungstenHitman #1 Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:15 PM

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Hi all,

 

I sold the Panther2 ages ago since I couldn't take the grind anymore and new nothing about the E50. I managed to unlock all the P2s modules but it was still utter fecal matter and I'm happy to accept I wasn't playing it correctly nor have the skill because I absolutely sucked no matter what way I tried to play it, btw don't say it needs to be played as a sniper as it has zero camo, gets spotted in seconds, has zero armor, ultra sensitive soft stats if you dare twitch your finger and is a huge target. Anyway is the E50 medium at tier9 worth grinding on through the P2 and how does it perform since the V.1 update and new maps etc? Am I better just sticking a crew back in my now unused T-10 and or maybe trying that free Obj 257 I got a while back?

 

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signal11th #2 Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:16 PM

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when you get it elited then its a big yes even now it's still a great tank, 

The_Georgian_One #3 Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:21 PM

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E50 is fun. So the short answer is yes. The long answer, if you need is yes yes yes.

The_Georgian_One #4 Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:22 PM

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Edit : double post. 

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Laiskamato #5 Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:47 PM

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Yes E50 and E50M both are still solid tanks.

shortfuse1418 #6 Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:48 PM

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Absolutely yes. I agree that the Panther 2 is a terrible grind and I really struggled with it. However, the E50 is completely different. The stock grind is fine. The long 88 has a fantastic rate of fire and good pen which is credible from the start. The armour is solid and you can side scrape effectively. It is a good strong tier 9 medium, not quite the OP stupidity of the Russian Meds in terms of turret armour and mobility  but has a awesome gun and good hull armour, great for ramming!!!

TungstenHitman #7 Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:57 PM

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Is the E50 and better rounded tank than the Leopard? Because I have the Leopard and I can't bring myself to grind it from stock since it's paper and everything has a big meaty gun with even bigger HE options make me think the whole experience with the Leopard is going to be hell on tracks. I'm think the E50 with it's armor makes it a more pleasant grind and more pleasant to play overall and less map sensitive maybe?

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 25 April 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Is the E50 and better rounded tank than the Leopard? Because I have the Leopard and I can't bring myself to grind it from stock since it's paper and everything has a big meaty gun with even bigger HE options make me think the whole experience with the Leopard is going to be hell on tracks. I'm think the E50 with it's armor makes it a more pleasant grind and more pleasant to play overall and less map sensitive maybe?

 

Don;t get me wrong it's not a 268-4 level of retard armor but it can bounce stuff and ramming stuff at 55kph and takign 700 health off its always a chuckle. overall its better than the PTA thats all you need to know.

Radu_Korne #9 Posted 25 April 2018 - 04:09 PM

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I grinded Panther 2 with x2 per day only. I would recommend a X2 per victory event with 200% personal reserves to get through that turd. I believe it received a new gun since I grinded that abomination, the 223 pen one or something. For E50 I free XPd the big daddy gun, 400 alpha or nothing imho. If you think you can do it with the 223 gun, go for it, I'd rather not. E50/E50M are way better than Pta/Leo 1.

 

I just realised I grinded Panther 2 with the 203 pen gun back in my day, oh the horror....the mm wasn't that brutal back then, but don't get me wrong, Panther 2 still sucks as top tier anyway, being in tier 9/10 battles is better for XP gain. E50 once elited is a very good and smooth grind to E50M. I enjoy playing both tanks, even though the tier 10 one is kinda obsolete because the turret is not that good. Gun performance is lovely.


Edited by Radu_Korne, 25 April 2018 - 04:13 PM.


tank276 #10 Posted 25 April 2018 - 04:15 PM

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Is it better than the wz 120, type 61, leopard PTA? Yes it is

Is it worse than t54, obj 430, M46 Patton? Yes it is

I would put it in the middle of the pack along with AMX 30, Centurion 7/1 and T54e1.

For me, tier for tier, it is better than the E50M.

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SuperDuperOtter #11 Posted 25 April 2018 - 04:30 PM

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Since the addition of the 8.8 cm L/100 gun to the Panther II and E-50, the Panther II became much more useable once elited and the grind on the E-50 less painfull. Advise for E-50's grind : freepex turret and tracks to be able to equip the 8.8 cm L/100 immediatly.



CircleOfSorrow #12 Posted 25 April 2018 - 04:39 PM

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I had enough xp to get the E50, and then I decided I should grind out the new long 88 and perhaps get my crew a little more training.  I will freexp the tracks on the E50 when I get it, but I refuse to get the turret as well.  The stock turret is gonna suck, and it's gonna be a while before I get the big boomstick.  I hate grinding.  Like you, I've given up on the grind in the past, and hope the bloody thing is worth it.

Procjon #13 Posted 25 April 2018 - 05:28 PM

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I was happy when i got my E50 and i thought it is a nice tank, until i got E50M. Now the E50 is collecting a dust.

 

E50 is only better in getting lower tiers to fight with.

 

I play German med because i have it but if i would have to grind it when new OP russian meds were present i would not do it as they can not compete at this moment

 

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If you believe QB then it is weak, if you believe the E50M clan and FAME, then it is worth it.

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View Posttank276, on 25 April 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

Is it better than the wz 120, type 61, leopard PTA? Yes it is

Is it worse than t54, obj 430, M46 Patton? Yes it is

I would put it in the middle of the pack along with AMX 30, Centurion 7/1 and T54e1.

For me, tier for tier, it is better than the E50M.

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​T54 AND M46 not sure I agree, t54 is a nightmare with standard ammo and likewise t46 std pen is low

Cannes76 #16 Posted 25 April 2018 - 06:02 PM

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I played through the Panther II many years ago and managed 66% winrate in it, despite it being considered uncompetetive even then, so I guess I got lucky... I can only imagine what it is like in todays MM. :ohmy:

E50 is a great tank fully upgraded though.



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View Postsignal11th, on 25 April 2018 - 05:07 PM, said:

 

e. overall its better than the PTA thats all you need to know.

 

Except when you are me

tumppi776 #18 Posted 25 April 2018 - 06:15 PM

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No - plain and simple

 

It lacks everything that makes E 50 M good - it has:

 

Terrible hp/t

Terrible pen - truly a joke after playing other T9 meds with 330mm HEAT premium

Armor - well at least it has some - the exact same armor works better on the tier 10 bcs of extra mobility

Accuracy - with bad pen its mostly wasted - but yeah its accurate


Edited by tumppi776, 25 April 2018 - 06:19 PM.


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View Postshortfuse1418, on 25 April 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

Absolutely yes. I agree that the Panther 2 is a terrible grind and I really struggled with it. However, the E50 is completely different. The stock grind is fine. The long 88 has a fantastic rate of fire and good pen which is credible from the start. The armour is solid and you can side scrape effectively. It is a good strong tier 9 medium, not quite the OP stupidity of the Russian Meds in terms of turret armour and mobility  but has a awesome gun and good hull armour, great for ramming!!!

 

To add to this, stock grind on E50 blows unless you free xp the turret, in which case it is ok-ish.

Until you get the engine, it's just slower P2 as well.

 

I'm on the E50 and it's my longest grind so far, started when i was a 400 wn8 newbie, complete f2p (took me 1000+ games to get 2 skill crew).

I played it but MM seems to hate me in it, my winrate is abysmal in it. From the various replays i've seen, personally i think i will really enjoy the E50M (faster and you can be bond positive while running food).


Edited by VarzA, 25 April 2018 - 06:43 PM.


shane73tank #20 Posted 25 April 2018 - 07:04 PM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 25 April 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Is the E50 and better rounded tank than the Leopard? Because I have the Leopard and I can't bring myself to grind it from stock since it's paper and everything has a big meaty gun with even bigger HE options make me think the whole experience with the Leopard is going to be hell on tracks. I'm think the E50 with it's armor makes it a more pleasant grind and more pleasant to play overall and less map sensitive maybe?

 

elited both are a joy to play, but t9 grind is hell, they are both worth it  I would recommend some free content and research the advice on the module order, if memory serves me the pta turret makes a huge aim time difference , it’s a slug until you get the top engine so initially you must be very careful. The gun from the panther 2 works well on the e50

 

sorry I cannot remember more , both are keepers so worth it in my humble opinion






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