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Poll: OBJ705 A or MAUS ? (37 members have cast votes)

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which is more fun, Obj705 or Maus?

  1. 705a (9 votes [24.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.32%

  2. maus (19 votes [51.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.35%

  3. some other tier X heavy - name it in the thread :) (9 votes [24.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.32%

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STLR #1 Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:20 AM

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Hi guys, 

 

i want to start grinding a heavy line, again, lol. I'm interested in OBJ 705 A and MAUS. In  terms of winrate OBJ preforms statistically slightly better than Maus. I'm interested in the fun factor here as well and the tanks's competitiveness. Maus stays better at some points as it has larger HP pool a better gun and gun handling, more precise than OBJ. On the other hand OBJ profile has a smaller  profile and moves faster, but the gun is crappier.

 

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Dr_ownape #2 Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:24 AM

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not sure your WR comparision will be accurate for many reasons (maus buff, what dates on the WR stat?, new 705a has more decent players in it than maus(IMO)).

 

I think either would be a safe bet although i can't comment as a direct comparision as i only own the maus. It's pretty good but the weak turret cheeks and engine deck let it down.

 

me? I'm 50k into the type 5, but then that is for competitive play really


Edited by Dr_ownape, 26 April 2018 - 09:24 AM.


somegras #3 Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:25 AM

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If you want a gun that can hit stuff, go Maus. If you want more turret armour, go 705a. I think the grind for the 705a is a little bit easier than the Maus. The only real stinker is the ISM when stock, but it's very powerful once upgraded. The only real bad tank in the Maus line is tge Tiger P. The VK1001p is extremely powerful and the Mauschen is also quite good, IMO.

STLR #4 Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:29 AM

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View PostDr_ownape, on 26 April 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

me? I'm 50k into the type 5, but then that is for competitive play really

 

so basically ur saying type 5 is better overall than maus or obj705 in terms of competitive play?  leaving aside the fact that it requires no aiming for weakpoints and it's completely retard-proof?



Rati_Festa #5 Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:29 AM

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Im not sure the Maus would qualify as fun for all players. It might be worth popping on the test server and giving one a spin.

I used mine to complete some of the heavy blocking missions. If you like the repeating hissing sound of heat slamming into you then might find it fun :)

leggasiini #6 Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:42 AM

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I don't own the Maus yet, so can't really tell too much. What I can tell is that once it angles, it bounces ridiculous amounts of hits, and it has the highest HP pool in the game, so it doenst die quickly. Pen and DPM are on the low side, but the accuracy, gun handling and alpha damage are pretty good. Turret cheeks are cheese against HEAT when unangled, tho, so watch out for that. It's also really, really slow.

 

Object 705A has very, very strong turret armor and a much smaller profile. Side armor is much, much weaker, so if you sidescrape, you wanna angle as little as possible. When you're in a perfect position, the tank is extremely bouncy and semi-immune to even premium rounds, but on other situations the Maus has much more superior overall armor profile. The 705A has great alpha damage, can overmatch a lot of stuff, and the gun handling is fairly solid for 650 alpha, but it suffers from terrible accuracy coupled with a bad DPM and pretty mediocre HEAT shells. The gun can be extremely frustrating to use, which is why you want to make your engagement to enemies as close as possible. That being said, the 705A has quite solid mobility, but has a lot lower HP pool.

 

Both lines that lead to the 705A and Maus are pretty good. On IS-M line there isn't a single really bad tank, but all tanks from tier 6-8 (and tier 9 if you haven't finished the IS-7 line, since the 2nd gun is the top gun of the Obj 257 and top gun is the same gun as the IS-7) suffers from horrible stock grinds. The Maus line doesn't have as bad stock grinds, but there is the Tiger P at tier 7, which is just really bad.

 

I would say that the Maus is probably more fun to play if you can stand the 20 km/h top speed, because the gun of the 705A can be really infuriating at times.

 

Other options for heavily armored bricks include the Type 5 Heavy, which is probably the strongest super-heavy ATM, but is quite expensive to play and is in general very braindead and straightforward vehicle, being also the easiest tier 10 to play. E 100 is there as well; it's probably not as strong as it was, but it still has 2700 HP combined 750 alpha damage, which gives it unrivaled ability to trade shots.


Edited by leggasiini, 26 April 2018 - 09:43 AM.


STLR #7 Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:21 AM

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View Postleggasiini, on 26 April 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

Other options for heavily armored bricks include the Type 5 Heavy, which is probably the strongest super-heavy ATM, but is quite expensive to play and is in general very braindead and straightforward vehicle, being also the easiest tier 10 to play. E 100 is there as well; it's probably not as strong as it was, but it still has 2700 HP combined 750 alpha damage, which gives it unrivaled ability to trade shots.

 

Great review man, thanks! E-100 is extremely frustrating atm,  it's derpy gun trolls you when using HEAT and the regular AP not reliable against tier 9 and 10 due to derpy nature..



Excavatus #8 Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:25 AM

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I haven't played any of them.

I have no idea on 705 grind. but I am the owner of a fully upgraded Mauschen..

 

On the other hand, ı've encountered both of them many times, and there is a huge difference according to my observations.

Maus is a yes or no tank.. either people cannot pen you.. you can do anything you want freely.. or they start penning you then you are just a cheese instead of a maus.

 

But obj 705 is more versatile, as I've seen..

while maus is just a steel brick to prevent access on a flank..



Ricky_Rolls #9 Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:39 AM

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None, they're both trash.

Thejagdpanther #10 Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:41 AM

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In the actually tier10 crap enviroment (monotier s#@t games), none of them.

Yesterday, after I don't remember how much time, i pick my maus for a ride and damn, I only needed two games to regret it:

1st game all team got rushed, spammed gold from everywhere, 800 dmg bounced, 800 damage done, lost 15 - 3

2nd game MY team rushed, i landed 2 shots, win 5 - 15.

For what i see the 705 turret looks the typical soviet one, but what i have read up there it looks like another meh tank.

 



STLR #11 Posted 26 April 2018 - 10:46 AM

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View PostRicky_Rolls, on 26 April 2018 - 10:39 AM, said:

None, they're both trash.

 

Other options ? besides the type 5 which i swore i will never use. 
 

View PostThejagdpanther, on 26 April 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

In the actually tier10 crap enviroment (monotier s#@t games), none of them.

Yesterday, after I don't remember how much time, i pick my maus for a ride and damn, I only needed two games to regret it:

1st game all team got rushed, spammed gold from everywhere, 800 dmg bounced, 800 damage done, lost 15 - 3

2nd game MY team rushed, i landed 2 shots, win 5 - 15.

For what i see the 705 turret looks the typical soviet one, but what i have read up there it looks like another meh tank.

 

 

Then which one you believe it would fit into the total messed up tier X right now? besides obj 268 4...and type 5.. :) meaning i want to have fun in tier X while playin' a heavy
 

Edited by NickMustaine, 26 April 2018 - 01:24 PM.


TheOddRogue #12 Posted 26 April 2018 - 12:10 PM

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It boggles my mind how people can play these slow [edited]superheavies, seems almost as ResidentSleeper and boring as arty gameplay. 

SlyMeerkat #13 Posted 26 April 2018 - 12:18 PM

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Id go for both :)

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Dava_117 #14 Posted 26 April 2018 - 01:00 PM

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It strongly depend on your skills and playstyle.

Are you good at angling and low speed limit doesn't bother you?

If yes, go for the Maus.

If no, 705A may fit better. Frontal armour is good, it has mobility but sides are butter (IS-M got better sides LOL), the engine deck is fully overmatchable by 122+ guns, LFP is not that hard against tier 9-10 and the gun is trash.

A maus is a dangerous enemy that force you to load gold to effectively fight it from the front. 705A can be killed by any armoured veicle on tier 9-10 and by skilled tier 8 players.

 


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View PostDava_117, on 26 April 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

It strongly depend on your skills and playstyle.

Are you good at angling and low speed limit doesn't bother you?

If yes, go for the Maus.

If no, 705A may fit better. Frontal armour is good, it has mobility but sides are butter (IS-M got better sides LOL), the engine deck is fully overmatchable by 122+ guns, LFP is not that hard against tier 9-10 and the gun is trash.

A maus is a dangerous enemy that force you to load gold to effectively fight it from the front. 705A can be killed by any armoured veicle on tier 9-10 and by skilled tier 8 players.

 

 

hmm your opinion leans towards 705 a being quite bad. As mainly a heavy tank/mediums  player i can handle myself in slow tanks, im leaning toward maus as well since it got that armor and gun is not that bad..but i still need to research a bit :> 

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View PostSTLR, on 26 April 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

Then which one you believe it would fit into the total messed up tier X right now? besides obj 268 4...and type 5.. :) meaning i want to have fun in tier X while playin' a heavy

 

I don't have an absolute correct answer, the only true thing that i know is that i'm avoiding play such tier as if it were the black plague of 1347.

I recently played and unlocked the e50-e50m and for sure is much easy to play and a little less frustrating... but it's not the answer you was looking for :)

I would say E100.. it's not toxic like is7 5a sconqueror, and not "dependent on everything" like the maus or kravangn.

But again is not the best answer, as long as this mm will be present with the monotier games...

 


Edited by Thejagdpanther, 26 April 2018 - 01:29 PM.


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Being nowhere near tier ten lvl, what about the Brit Super conqueror? Is that one worth the grind, and is there much difference between the tier nine and the tier ten. I have the ISM but for the life of me cannot play it, but then it is stock too. Does it improve much if you fully kit it out, I ask because once I did that with my Obj 257, I was not really all that impressed.

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View PostSTLR, on 26 April 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

 

hmm your opinion leans towards 705 a being quite bad. As mainly a heavy tank/mediums  player i can handle myself in slow tanks, im leaning toward maus as well since it got that armor and gun is not that bad..but i still need to research a bit :> 

 

705A it's not bad, but it's not good too IMO. 

When I see a Maus, I know I should be cautious in the fight and I have to load gold if I can't flank it.

705A is different. I don't fear it. The gun is potato, so I know I can get closer, turret is goldproof while LFP can be penned with AP, so dealing with it is not such a problem. Also side armour is weak for how the tank is meant to play.

Let's say I don't like the armour layout and the gun it has. :)



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I voted other: Obj 268 v4,

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View PostOreH75, on 26 April 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

I voted other: Obj 268 v4,

 

that's also an option yet it believe it doesnt present much of a challenge but more a frustration to the enemy :))  like type 5 but even more scary




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