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Enforcer1975 #1 Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:17 PM

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So i decided to "collect" some data on how much skill is used in matches. I think 1001 hits is more than enough to see if WGs claim is right or not. 

I played mostly tier 7-8 mixed with a few 4-6 and 9-10. Funny thing though most wannabe Dingers are in the high tiers and mostly spamming gold even when top tier in a tier 10 tank....nothing new i guess.

 



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In Soviet Union, 5% is 50%. You go now western pig and take 5% of my foot in your azz

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It was 5% across all tiers. On tier 8+ it was not 5% on average even. Type 5 had 49% alone. And most tier 8's were on 20 to 30%, while tier X was on 30 to 40%. So the higher you go, the more it is. But since tier 4 and down was not even 0.5%. You can see how it evens out. So considering you got 15% if I read that right.... It's still lower then the average most tanks had on tier 8+.

 

They had a detailed list of every tank and the % it had, even tiers. Most just did read 5% and nothing more. If most read past the headline, they would see they confirmed it's to high on tier 8+. And why they are taking steps towards it over the next few patches as they said. Tho what besides the gold price removal they will do remains to be seen that's coming next patch. But they called it the first step towards fixing it. Whatever their idea of fixing it is.


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View PostBalc0ra, on 26 April 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Whatever their idea of fixing it is.

 

Looking forward to not being able to pen Russian heavies even with Premium.

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 26 April 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

So i decided to "collect" some data on how much skill is used in matches. I think 1001 hits is more than enough to see if WGs claim is right or not. 

I played mostly tier 7-8 mixed with a few 4-6 and 9-10. Funny thing though most wannabe Dingers are in the high tiers and mostly spamming gold even when top tier in a tier 10 tank....nothing new i guess.

 

 

Only 16%?  I would have placed it at over 25%.  But, yeah 5% is taking the Mickey a bit.

Balc0ra #6 Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:44 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 26 April 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

 

Looking forward to not being able to pen Russian heavies even with Premium.

 

That's what I'm kinda skeptical to. That they won't balance normal ammo on most guns vs whatever they do with gold ammo if they nerf the pen or damage on it etc. As most tier 8's still struggle to deal with the recent equal tiers even. Yet alone tier X targets. Thus why they yank the 2 key as half the targets they face have more weakspot armor then they have pen. Like the VK 100.01 cupola vs the T32 gun etc.

 

Then again. I'm curious if premium tanks will be affected by whatever change they do to the ammo. If they get a pen nerf or a damage nerf, you could argue that you no longer got what you payed for.



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You did not write on which tier and what tank you were driving. When I drive my Type 4 I get hit a lot with gold. Not so much in my T-54 even though they are both tier 9. I occasionally drive the German tier 5 light seal-clubber Leopard that is almost never hit with gold I also almost never fires gold with it but I do spew a few shots that would explain why it's only 5% all in all.

 

Besides that why would they would lie about it? If they wanted the numbers to be secret they could have said nothing or claimed that they simply don't know the number. It makes no sense that they would lie about the number of gold ammo spend in the game. :facepalm:


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Enforcer1975 #8 Posted 26 April 2018 - 02:47 PM

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View PostKozzy, on 26 April 2018 - 02:33 PM, said:

 

Only 16%?  I would have placed it at over 25%.  But, yeah 5% is taking the Mickey a bit.

 

It was like this a few days ago and ~350 shots less....

 

View PostAgent_327, on 26 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

You did not write on which tier and what tank you were driving. When I drive my Type 4 I get hit a lot with gold. Not so much in my T-54 even though they are both tier 9. I occasionally drive the German tier 5 light seal-clubber Leopard that is almost never hit with gold I also almost never fires gold with it but I do spew a few shots that would explain why it's only 5% all in all.

 

Besides that why would they would lie about it? If they wanted the numbers to be secret they could have said nothing or claimed that they simply don't know the number. It simply makes no sense that they would lie about the number of gold ammo spend in the game. :facepalm:

 

Well i did write what tiers i was playing.

Tanks i used were mainly MT like A-44, T-44, T-54, Lorr 40t, Spaghetto, Sherman and LTs like the AMX 1375 / 1357 / Even90, T-54 ltwt , some TDing with the 4005, S1, Challenger, Charioteer and T30. Tanks you can say don't really have any meaningful armor. 


 

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 26 April 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

So i decided to "collect" some data

 

 

Whilst I accept that 5% is wrong, and I've never seen that officially stated but I may have missed it, your method of collecting data is deeply flawed.

CmdRatScabies #10 Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:16 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 26 April 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

That's what I'm kinda skeptical to. That they won't balance normal ammo on most guns vs whatever they do with gold ammo if they nerf the pen or damage on it etc. As most tier 8's still struggle to deal with the recent equal tiers even. Yet alone tier X targets. Thus why they yank the 2 key as half the targets they face have more weakspot armor then they have pen. Like the VK 100.01 cupola vs the T32 gun etc.

 

Then again. I'm curious if premium tanks will be affected by whatever change they do to the ammo. If they get a pen nerf or a damage nerf, you could argue that you no longer got what you payed for.

 

Some of the older ones will be very sad in the current game without their gold ammo.  But remember they left the old Lefh with its old ammo when then nerfed all the others so maybe we'll have premium tank ammo untouched by any nerf.

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what is that mod that gives this info?

Balc0ra #12 Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:30 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 26 April 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

Some of the older ones will be very sad in the current game without their gold ammo.  But remember they left the old Lefh with its old ammo when then nerfed all the others so maybe we'll have premium tank ammo untouched by any nerf.

 

Yeah, T69 is one of them. But as for premiums... tier 8 will be worse off if half the tanks still have high gold pen or alpha, and the other half are nerfed since they are not premium tanks.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 26 April 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

 

Yeah, T69 is one of them. But as for premiums... tier 8 will be worse off if half the tanks still have high gold pen or alpha, and the other half are nerfed since they are not premium tanks.

 

Indeed.  Not sure how they will do this without undermining future premium sales or offering expensive refunds.  Maybe they'll boost all std pen and start off another round of power creep.

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View Postvixu, on 26 April 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

what is that mod that gives this info?

 

I would be (very) interested to have access to this mod as well ... 

Enforcer1975 #16 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:29 PM

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View Postvixu, on 26 April 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

what is that mod that gives this info?

 

iirc it's named gold counter...comes with Aslain's. 

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 26 April 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

It was like this a few days ago and ~350 shots less....

 

Now show us the log of how much gold you have fired yourself...

Be careful what you answer:B



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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 26 April 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

Indeed.  Not sure how they will do this without undermining future premium sales or offering expensive refunds.  Maybe they'll boost all std pen and start off another round of power creep.

 

They may just make premium ammo damage and pen a function of the standard ammo stats. So it's not a nerf but a game mechanics change.

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View PostJoggaman, on 26 April 2018 - 05:07 PM, said:

 

Now show us the log of how much gold you have fired yourself...

Be careful what you answer:B

Ok i admit i have been fooling you guys by using gilded shells because i'm a cheap person just to keep up the impression.   :(  :hiding:



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View PostDava_117, on 26 April 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

 

They may just make premium ammo damage and pen a function of the standard ammo stats. So it's not a nerf but a game mechanics change.

 

Or maybe just make them cheaper or improve credit earning so buying premium ammo isn't an issue.




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