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Karasu_Hidesuke #1 Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:33 PM

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Anyone had a look at these stats? Any thoughts at this stage that you can share would be greatly appreciated, cheers!

 

https://ritastatusreport.live/2018/04/25/project-51-czolg-wz51-stats/

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUG7zdv1P8



Balc0ra #2 Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:50 PM

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It's not final yet. So who knows how good it will be. It has good alpha, gun depression and armor. But DPM and pen is not great even for a tier 8 HT. But they said they were not sure if they wanted the armor role or mobility role for it. So next time it might have less armor and more speed.

TheDrownedApe #3 Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:52 PM

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strong - all you need to know

Shaade_Silentpaw #4 Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:53 PM

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Interesting...accuracy & aim time are pretty good for a 440 alpha gun.

Strappster #5 Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:59 PM

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I don't particularly like the postbox for the driver's head - he's going to have the life expectancy of a KV-5 radio operator. Nice shallow upper plate could make it a bit of a monster hull-down as it won't have to hide all of its hull and a bit of wiggling might be enough to put off shots at the driver's box.

 

From what was said in the WG video released the other day, the Polish line is going to be like the Swedish tanks; low tier lights, mid-tier mediums and high tier heavies. I'm more interested in the line than the premium as I already have a Pudel I can use to put some skills on my crews before retraining.



AllTheChildren #6 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:09 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 26 April 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

I don't particularly like the postbox for the driver's head - he's going to have the life expectancy of a KV-5 radio operator. Nice shallow upper plate could make it a bit of a monster hull-down as it won't have to hide all of its hull and a bit of wiggling might be enough to put off shots at the driver's box.

 

From what was said in the WG video released the other day, the Polish line is going to be like the Swedish tanks; low tier lights, mid-tier mediums and high tier heavies. I'm more interested in the line than the premium as I already have a Pudel I can use to put some skills on my crews before retraining.

 

That post box has 270mm effective armour according to wg video.

Strappster #7 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:14 PM

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View PostAllTheChildren, on 26 April 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

That post box has 270mm effective armour according to wg video.

 

Quite right, I wasn't paying attention and thought that was the effective armour of the top plate. Thanks for the correction. :honoring:



TankkiPoju #8 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:30 PM

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Yet another Defender.

Balc0ra #9 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:31 PM

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View PostShaade_Silentpaw, on 26 April 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

Interesting...accuracy & aim time are pretty good for a 440 alpha gun.

 

They do. But pen is a bit of a bummer tho. I would rather have 390 alpha and more pen tbh.  As 218 vs the tier 8 armor of late might screw you over even on a flat roll. As the IS-M with 212 struggles badly with it.


Edited by Balc0ra, 26 April 2018 - 04:32 PM.


arthurwellsley #10 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:41 PM

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They are testing two versions presently;

A: a slower but well armored version

and B: a faster less armored version

 

The stats on the A version will counter Defenders easily and make Patriots and Liberte's cry in a corner. So if they leave the A version with all it's present stats it will be very tier 9.5 super OP. Or they might reduce the armour on it. But this is very early in the testing cycle yet, and they may still go with the B version which is faster with less armour. Who knows.



brumbarr #11 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:49 PM

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At this point its comletely OP, its a defender with better gun depression, better gun handling and better dpm. 

It has 440 alpha and 2000 dpm, thats more than most 240 alpha meds ffs...



LordMuffin #12 Posted 26 April 2018 - 04:57 PM

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With the stats in that picture.
Way to good.
And if the flat part on UFP isn't a weakspot (driver placement I assume), then very OP.

brumbarr #13 Posted 26 April 2018 - 05:08 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 26 April 2018 - 04:57 PM, said:

With the stats in that picture.
Way to good.
And if the flat part on UFP isn't a weakspot (driver placement I assume), then very OP.

 

The drivers hatch is 270mm effective :p

The_Georgian_One #14 Posted 26 April 2018 - 05:16 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 26 April 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Yet another Defender.

Only better :P



KillingJoker #15 Posted 26 April 2018 - 05:38 PM

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View PostShaade_Silentpaw, on 26 April 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

Interesting...accuracy & aim time are pretty good for a 440 alpha gun.

 

430U sindrome... 

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View Postbrumbarr, on 26 April 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

At this point its comletely OP, its a defender with better gun depression, better gun handling and better dpm. 

It has 440 alpha and 2000 dpm, thats more than most 240 alpha meds ffs...

 

And with a decent crew and rations and all, should go to 2400 no problem... 

 

 



Karasu_Hidesuke #17 Posted 26 April 2018 - 05:46 PM

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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 26 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

Only better :P

 

Seems at least someone on Reddit agrees with that, saying that comparing the Defender to the Czolg is like comparing the IS-6 to the Defender.

 

The design seems so different that how can you even compare the armor values between the two? The pen seems not the best, but not the worst either when compared against existing Soviet and Chinese tier 8 HT's. If the shell velocity is 1007 m/s it's going to be inferior to IS-5, but in many other aspects it's going to be close (with version A stats).


Edited by Browarszky, 26 April 2018 - 05:47 PM.


IncandescentGerbil #18 Posted 26 April 2018 - 05:58 PM

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So how many of these were made IRL? Because I have just sketched a "blueprint" for a British tier 8 premium that isn't crap. The FVblahbahU (the U is important), is loosely based on a Centurion, with the 1500hp supercharged aero version of the Merlin engine. 350 effective FP and premium kettle.


brumbarr #19 Posted 26 April 2018 - 06:07 PM

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View PostBrowarszky, on 26 April 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

 

 

The design seems so different that how can you even compare the armor values between the two? 

In what way is it different? Pike nose with good armor values. Decent side armour. Same speed. Same alpha. Both strong turret?

The only differences is where the  51 is better.



Grimdope #20 Posted 26 April 2018 - 06:16 PM

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I thought this was the tier 10 when I saw the stats, bloom values are as good as the IS-3 too.  Doesn't belong in tier 8 at all.





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