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mpf1959 #1 Posted 30 April 2018 - 11:55 AM

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Does the premium tank train a crew faster than an elite tank with accelerate crew training selected?

If so, can anyone tell me by how much?



UrQuan #2 Posted 30 April 2018 - 12:08 PM

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It's normally 50% faster + the tier bonus (lower the tier, the bigger the crew XP bonus)

 

Edit: Homer_J provided a much more detailed link.

 


Edited by UrQuan, 30 April 2018 - 12:37 PM.


Homer_J #3 Posted 30 April 2018 - 12:36 PM

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I think this should answer your questions.

Gremlin182 #4 Posted 30 April 2018 - 01:09 PM

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I have this sudden desire to run my M36 Pershing crew through all my American medium premium tanks.

Should give me at least one extra crew skill by the time I unlock the Patton



TungstenHitman #5 Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:08 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 30 April 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

I think this should answer your questions.

 

Well his question was does a premium vehicle train a crew faster than an elited tank with the crew training option selected. Your link shows how much a premium vehicles xp return has been buffed and mentions absolutely nothing, so far as I could see, about the xp returns of an elited tank nor does it compare one with the other so no this doesn't answer his question and how would it?

Babbet_1 #6 Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:01 PM

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My (noobish) understanding is as follows:

An un-elited vehicle receives a basic amount of xp which is used to research modules and the next tank in the tree. An equivalent amount of xp is awarded to the crew.

Once all modules and next tank/s are researched (ie vehicle is elited) additional crew training can be selected, which directs  all xp to the crew (ie double the amount of base xp shown on the detailed battle results screen).

Premium vehicles can have additional crew training selected immediately on purchase, as there are no modules to research, so crew receives double base xp as per elite vehicle, plus a bonus of 50% base xp.

What I am not sure about is whether 1st daily win multipliers are just applied to base xp, or to both base and crew (ie on a x2 day, would the crew get 3x base xp or 4x)

Perhaps someone could enlighten me on that? Also please feel free to correct any inaccuracies in the above.

Many thanks, Babbet

 

 

 


Edited by Babbet_1, 30 April 2018 - 09:02 PM.


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View Postmpf1959, on 30 April 2018 - 11:55 AM, said:

Does the premium tank train a crew faster than an elite tank with accelerate crew training selected?

If so, can anyone tell me by how much?

 

Given that everything else is the same, the prem tank will always yield >50% more crew XP.

The link Homer_J provided describes what kind of bonus XP premium (and award) tanks provide. To paraphrase, this bonus is twofold:

1) Depending on the vehicle tier, there will be a %age bonus of the base XP. E.g. 10% on tier VIII or 40% on tier V.

2) Unrelated to the tier such vehicles will grant a *1,5 multiplier to all crew XP earned.

 

Simple calculations as follows. Premium tier V vehicle, 500 base XP game. 40% bonus = 200 XP gives a total of 700 tank XP. For the crew this value is multiplied by 1,5 netting 1050 crew XP. Having the same battle in a standard vehicle will net you ... well, 500 tank & crew XP :) On tier VIII the difference is obviously less due to the lower tank XP bonus but it will always be >50% given the same premises.

 

Anyways, you can make this way more complicated with first victory of the day bonus, personal reserves and other event stuff, but I spare you these details.

 

Instead I am going full sell-out and promote my (crew) XP guide which gives you full insight in all (crew) xp matters :P Also, I am sad that Homer chose to link that WG page over my guide :hiding:

 

Of course if there are further questions, feel free to ask here, in the guide or via pm.



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View PostTungstenHitman, on 30 April 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

 

Well his question was does a premium vehicle train a crew faster than an elited tank with the crew training option selected. Your link shows how much a premium vehicles xp return has been buffed and mentions absolutely nothing, so far as I could see, about the xp returns of an elited tank nor does it compare one with the other so no this doesn't answer his question and how would it?

 

One must apply a modicum of logic.  I am going to credit OP with that ability.

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View PostBabbet_1, on 30 April 2018 - 09:01 PM, said:

My (noobish) understanding is as follows:

An un-elited vehicle receives a basic amount of xp which is used to research modules and the next tank in the tree. An equivalent amount of xp is awarded to the crew.

Once all modules and next tank/s are researched (ie vehicle is elited) additional crew training can be selected, which directs  all xp to the crew (ie double the amount of base xp shown on the detailed battle results screen).

Premium vehicles can have additional crew training selected immediately on purchase, as there are no modules to research, so crew receives double base xp as per elite vehicle, plus a bonus of 50% base xp.

What I am not sure about is whether 1st daily win multipliers are just applied to base xp, or to both base and crew (ie on a x2 day, would the crew get 3x base xp or 4x)

Perhaps someone could enlighten me on that? Also please feel free to correct any inaccuracies in the above.

Many thanks, Babbet

Only the least trained crew member gets the bonus.

That crew member is denoted by the yellow training icon next to their name. 



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View PostBaldrickk, on 01 May 2018 - 07:56 AM, said:

Only the least trained crew member gets the bonus.

That crew member is denoted by the yellow training icon next to their name. 

 

Thank you Baldrickk - I had forgotten that. 

Feeling a bit stupid now though :unsure:, as the link to TankSchmidt's guide (post 7 above) seems to give all the answers to any query we may have on the subject. (Note to self: Stick to tomfoolery in future, and leave the technical stuff to those who actually know what they're talking about!) :)



mpf1959 #11 Posted 02 May 2018 - 10:31 AM

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Thanks for all replies, the reason I ask is that 99% of all my tanks are elite, and I wondered if there was any real advantage to buying a premium, but solely when applied to crew training. I think I'll save my money!

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View Postmpf1959, on 02 May 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:

Thanks for all replies, the reason I ask is that 99% of all my tanks are elite, and I wondered if there was any real advantage to buying a premium, but solely when applied to crew training. I think I'll save my money!

 

Well, depends if you play Russian heavies I suppose, but for me the tier v Churchill III has been a really sound investment, and didn't cost an arm and leg (about £7 or so if memory serves) I was a bit hesitant about buying it at first, as slow tanks don't really get me to the action much of the time, but once there, with its fast reload and high pen, its a real joy. It has certainly speeded up the training of my KV1 and KV1S crews no end, and they're now ready to move up the tree. Only problem is I'm still rubbish though - did suggest to Mrs B that she might like to retrain me with gold, but she just said I'm worth my weight in gold already - Gawd bless 'er! That's her code for "The lawn needs mowing" !   :(



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I'm on the KV1S and KV2 at the moment, I always pay in gold to get 100% crew. it's just a question of perks and skills really. If there was a good difference in the speed of getting perks/skills in a premium over an Elite with accelerated crew training, I would seriuosly consider it.

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View Postmpf1959, on 03 May 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

I'm on the KV1S and KV2 at the moment, I always pay in gold to get 100% crew. it's just a question of perks and skills really. If there was a good difference in the speed of getting perks/skills in a premium over an Elite with accelerated crew training, I would seriuosly consider it.

 

Ok, but another thing you may not have considered is that with a premium tank you also get bonus xp which can go straight to the crew - In the case of tier 5's such as Churchill III I believe it is 40% of base xp. You also have another tank to pop your crew(s) in to get the daily bonus for first win (x2, x3 or x5). In this scenario, you could get the 1st win bonus in both KV1S and KV2, and then pop either crew into the Churchill for a 2nd go. Believe me, it does make a big difference to gaining those perks and skills, but does depend on whether the high pen/low alpha/fast firing gun suits your playing style - personally I think it's great fun! Lastly, Churchill III has pref MM, so never sees tier 7.

Better stop now, as this is beginning to sound like an advertising campaign! (I'm not on commission, in case you're wondering.)  :)



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It’s a 50% bonus.
You can select accelerated crew training at the premium vehicle also, so only compare base vs base.
And a 50% bonus is a lot, especially when you see how much XP you need when you think about reaching skill 3, 4 or more on a crew this is a few hundredths or thousands of battles the further you get.
The investment is worth it you can calculate the working hours on that.
Plus you get 50% extra credits.

 

do you have a crew in skill 3 or later, Check the personal tab off one of them you can see an estimate battlecount for the next percent to reach in a standard vehicle or a premium vehicle, those numbers get horrible high.

 

good crews are the most valuable thing in this game.


Edited by marlboro80, 03 May 2018 - 01:42 PM.


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So do premium tanks give more crew training than an elited tank with crew training option selected? Yes or no? and by how much?



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View PostTungstenHitman, on 03 May 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

So do premium tanks give more crew training than an elited tank with crew training option selected? Yes or no? and by how much?

 

Yes and its by 1.5 coefficiency. the Churchill3 however is 1.8 coz russuian bias.

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 03 May 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

So do premium tanks give more crew training than an elited tank with crew training option selected? Yes or no? and by how much?

 

Yes and it depends on the tier (see the link I posted) and if it is the Churchill III or not.  Lower tiers give a bigger boost, Churchill III has an additional hidden boost (1.38x the last time it was public).

Edited by Homer_J, 03 May 2018 - 03:17 PM.


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They get more.  How much more depends on the tier of the tank

 

Eliteing a tank makes ACT available.  It does not give extra XP to the tank or the crew.

 

If you earned 1k XP in a cromwell all the crew would get 1k XP.

If ACT was on, one crew member would get 2k XP.

 

If the same game was played in Cromwell B, (tier 6 so +30%) the tank would get 1300 XP, all crew would get (+50%) 2050 XP.

If ACT was on, one crew member would get 4100 XP.

 

For lower tier premium tanks the XP bonus is bigger but the XP is smaller.  This helps to make low tier prems worthwhile (as crew trainers) even though the tank XP and credits are low.

 

 



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 03 May 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

 

 

View PostHomer_J, on 03 May 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

 

 

Thanks guys

 

View PostStinkyStonky, on 03 May 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

 

 

 

Especially good and detailed answer, interesting stuff






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