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ID_100 #1 Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:27 PM


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G I F T (T)


Sfinski #2 Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:30 PM

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Mutz is prob the best out of them. Bestest gun and looks. =P


Thank you for doing these again, you da man. 

SovietBias #3 Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:39 PM


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I'm biased to kv-122.


It's just an old Kv-1s uptiered, so nothing fancy. Tier 7 is bit a bit more forgiving however.

Can't really comment on Panther 8.8 or 59 Patton, as I dont own any, but between Mutz and FV I think I'd take FV.

IncandescentGerbil #4 Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:39 PM


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All tier VIII premiums are edited when the 268v4 etc exist.

TheDrownedApe #5 Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:42 PM

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I only own the fv (from when it was TX). there is a reason I don't have many perms and that's because they are generally not very good compared to their tech tree equivalents.  however I like the fv gun and turret so would probably go for that. however I have heard reasonably good murmurings about the mutz.

speedphlux #6 Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:57 PM


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Hard choice of the listed ones. Prolly the FV would be the best option out of them, as it's actually not bad. I have the FV 4202 and it feels quite nice and not horribly outclassed when bottom tier. Gun is punchy (pen) and accurate enough. Second would prolly have to go to the Mutz. Have no idea about the 59-Patton, but I never seen one "shine" and be outstanding on the battlefield when I meet them, so ... prolly it's just a "Joe Average". Panther 8.8 is only suited for people with deep interest into German tanks, that prolly want to have a crew trainer, rather then money maker. KV-122 - it's just not as good as the old KV-1S with the 122m and 7 degrees of gun depression, so - not really.

leggasiini #7 Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:00 PM

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Panther 8.8 :trollface:


just kidding, it's the worst one out of the bunch. FV4202 is probably the best one out of the bunch, now that it has been buffed like... 5000 times.

Jethro_Grey #8 Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:10 PM

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FV because i get Steel Wall medals when hull down, and because looks.

TsundereWaffle #9 Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:26 PM

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Hm... call me a masochist, but Panther 8,8

Joggaman #10 Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:36 PM

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View PostID_100, on 30 April 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:


G I F T (T)



You are a mysterious poster, ID. I like your style. No, I don't like it, I admire and love it!!

Junglist_ #11 Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:37 PM

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I only own Mutz and normally I wouldn't recommend it since it is a paper tier 8 medium which is not good in a current meta of constant tier 10 matches on small corridor maps but have been playing it on CT on the Frontline and there it performed very well, since it is quite mobile, has a decent penetration and gun handling. If you're up for some Frontline (why wouldn't you, seeing as you won't meet any tier 10s there) I'd say it is a decent tank for it.

Don't own the FV but doesn't look like a bad tank either.

Shame that your giveaway topic was closed by the evil mod, messaged him asking about the topic to be reopened and at least moved to Off Topic section since it is nice to see people doing random nice things here but evil mod being evil didn't even reply.

arthurwellsley #12 Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:41 PM


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I have always been interested by the 59/Patton.

Never got around to buying it.

The look of the vehicle and it's history are intriguing.


I have a Mutz and an FV4202. For me at least the FV is better.


I do not own the Panther 8.8, but was not comfortable with the tech tree Panther II due to the lack of gun depression.


KV-122. I have the IS-Berlin which I really rather enjoy. I assume that the KV is similar and so with its speed would be decent in it's tier.

Edited by arthurwellsley, 30 April 2018 - 09:46 PM.

F2PEXP #13 Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:41 PM


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sorry, no pros at all


they are all cons, in all senses of the word

OreH75 #14 Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:04 PM


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Panter 8.8, I would like to tickle tier X with that needle gun...


Only option for me since I already own fv and I dont like cheap chinese products, fake german tanks or op russian tonks....

Edited by OreH75, 30 April 2018 - 10:06 PM.

r00barb #15 Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:34 PM

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59-Patton for the hipster vote. :izmena:

Bora_BOOM #16 Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:51 PM


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Mutz is a dank tank.


Balc0ra #17 Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:52 PM

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Pro's, they make credits. Con's... everything else.


Tho to be fair I only own the FV there. And the pen is good. But like every 20 pdr, the dpm kills it every time in a 1 on 1.

Aikl #18 Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:56 PM


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Hm. Pros/cons for every one of those tanks? Well, I'm kind of bored anyway:


59-Patton - At least it looks funny. I guess it's a decent 'support tank', at least it has decent view range and armor that kind of works when the enemy can't hit it. Oh, wait. Well, not that 'support tank' has been used in conjunction with good tank ...ever.

Anyway, it's a decent T8 with a lot of annoying features. That makes it kinda bad. On paper you'd think it would be fine. Type 59 is a good tank, after all, and this gets a gun with higher penetration and great gun handling. Then you realize that the powercreep and crappy matchmaking has rendered the hull armor kind of useless. That would be fine if the turret bounced something. It doesn't. Even if it has some armour on the turret face, the cupola screams 'shoot me'. Good luck fighting hull-down, the tumor cupola peeks out everywhere. Seriously. It's like a shell magnet. 

The biggest 'pro' of this tank is the view range, but what's the point when you're not even that mighty as top-tier?


FV4202 - Not as bad as the reputation suggests, but utterly ruined by the lack of speed, crap-ish DPM and bad gun handling. 

The FV is simple math: There's little left to work with if you can't get places in time, can't hit stuff and can't outgun "anything".


Oh, and the powercreep. Why would you even want to buy this thing with the Primo Victoria on sale every-so-often and with the RAAC on the horizon?

Regardless, the 20-pounder is among the better guns for dealing with the constant 'support role' you're forced into - if you aim enough, the gun will hit. The armor does actually bounce stuff. Sometimes. Maybe. Too bad it's not consistent at all, unlike e.g. the Centurions. 


Panther 8.8 - It's a worse Panther 2. It doesn't really work at all. Play Panzerlied and Westerwaldlied all you want - the only thing you have are jokes on the '8.8' part of the name (lol Hütlerpanther). Now you can't even compare yourself favourably with the Panther 2. Hopeless.


Relatively comfortable to play (i.e. the gun won't surprise you), but it's an enormous glass peashooter with lower top speed than other Panthers. The long 88 is a decent gun for a T8, but not on the Panther chassis. This feels like a slow FCM 50t with good gun handling.

Rather surprised this is not a T8 PMM, or even a T7. There's little reason to play it over e.g. the VK4503.


Oh, and just in case you thought about ramming something: Wargaming didn't bother adjusting the speed limit to the other Panthers' 55kph. Good luck retreating strategically relocating like a true German. Also, no 'lolpen' APCR round for you.



KV-122 - This would be the one to bet on here. I see a lot of people hating on it, but I don't get why. It's a more mobile IS-2 with less armor. Who actually relies on the armor of the IS-2?

Judging from the IS/IS-2, it should be versatile regardless of map and matchmaking (almost, at least). If you're top-tier you have some armor. When the armor doesn't work, you have a 122mm on a chassis with MT-like mobility. Flank, smash, and realize that your DPM isn't even terrible for a huge gun. 


Incredibly easy to play. Trade shot-for-shot and scream Сталин Климе́нт Вороши́лов​ while you take incredibly improbable shots - and realize that they hit far more than they have any right to. Because Rasha.


Note: In case the gun digs holes in the dirt every other shot, which it will, give vodka to gunner. If problem persists, drink some vodka yourself so you can forget the bad and only remember games where your gun ammoracks full-HP tanks, you HE-pen Skorpions that result in hilarious post-battle commentary per PM and hit long-range snapshots that makes you wonder about the Royal Ordinance L7's heritage.



Bonus: The design is historical, though only one prototype was built. That's kinda cool, after all.


Mutz - Along with the STA-2 it's one of the most overrated T8 mediums. It's better than some of the tech-tree tanks (haha_lol), but lacks a 'gimmick' to work with. Would maybe be good if it had some mountains to sit in while the enemy dies of attrition. Too bad they removed the climbs...


For the Switzerland fanboys, I recommend a fondue set and insisting on only speaking French - despite living in a country with four official languages. That's how Switzerland works. At least for the French-speaking population of Geneva. Utterly fascinated how hard it is to communicate in 2018 with another Western country when you speak one of the national languages and English. :facepalm:

Edited by Aikl, 30 April 2018 - 11:29 PM.

Spurtung #19 Posted 30 April 2018 - 11:09 PM

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View PostID_100, on 30 April 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

I got 59-Patton and KV-122, no opinion yet (or battles).

FV4202 and Mutz...I'd pick FV there, personal preference, and seems the best choice to train Cent AX' crew.

Panther 8.8 will be forever giving me the puppy eyes, to which I'll answer with an assertive "nyet".


Jamadeus #20 Posted 30 April 2018 - 11:09 PM

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What does Mutz actually mean? The graphics on the tank are of a bear but I can't find any correlation between bear and Mutz in German.



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