Jump to content


T28 vs T28 Prot cupolas


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

Taudlitz #1 Posted 01 May 2018 - 07:01 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 20696 battles
  • 303
  • Member since:
    06-15-2011

This was bugging me for quite a long now. I dont really understand why T28 cupolas are 152mm effective thickness and T28 Prototype 215mm effective thickness (in fact T28 Prototype have better cupolas than even T95 due their shape) To me its quite interesting why would WG put such strong cupolas on tank with overall weaker armour.  

On Prototype they dont do this tank any good as people can just fire through the turret front which is around 190mm effective. While on regular T28 having Protos cupolas with 215mm effective would mean your armour would become able to fill its role at close range.  

Did WG just swapped cupola models by accident? Also WG, do something about the poor Ferdidank.



FatigueGalaxy #2 Posted 01 May 2018 - 09:39 PM

    Captain

  • Player
  • 19073 battles
  • 2,094
  • [SPIKE] SPIKE
  • Member since:
    02-09-2011

There is some kind of twisted logic in this:

- T28 has strong armour so it needs some weakspots,

- T28 prot. has weaker armour so it doesn't need weakspots.

 

Strong cupolas help T28 prot. even if its turret is weak. If you can shoot its turret, he can shoot at you too - unlike cupolas on top which can be abused to shoot somebody without him being able to retaliate.

But it's also a possibility that cupolas on T28 prot. were overbuffed by a mistake. But I don't think they were swapped with T28 - this tank would be way too strong without weakspots on top.



tankzman #3 Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:11 AM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 63618 battles
  • 395
  • Member since:
    06-27-2013

View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 01 May 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

There is some kind of twisted logic in this:

 

Yes, its probably this: 

 

Taudlitz, T28, 4760 battles



XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:34 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 47700 battles
  • 1,381
  • [RU18] RU18
  • Member since:
    04-02-2016
While we are at it, how the front wheels of the T28 are suspended? Shoot them and you only track it, no damage done because they are outside the vehicle hitbox. I mean who thinks of this crap or don't???

Dava_117 #5 Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:19 AM

    Major

  • Player
  • 18519 battles
  • 2,738
  • [B-BAS] B-BAS
  • Member since:
    12-17-2014

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 May 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

While we are at it, how the front wheels of the T28 are suspended? Shoot them and you only track it, no damage done because they are outside the vehicle hitbox. I mean who thinks of this crap or don't???

 

Churchill tank and ARL44 have similar design.not really a problem IMO...

XxKuzkina_MatxX #6 Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:35 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 47700 battles
  • 1,381
  • [RU18] RU18
  • Member since:
    04-02-2016

View PostDava_117, on 02 May 2018 - 10:19 AM, said:

 

Churchill tank and ARL44 have similar design.not really a problem IMO...

 

It's a problem IMO if every other tank in the game can be tracked and damaged while peeking recklessly around corners. That's rewarding bad plays like the 257 side armor. :)

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 02 May 2018 - 09:37 AM.


fwhaatpiraat #7 Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:45 AM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 45559 battles
  • 526
  • [RGT] RGT
  • Member since:
    05-04-2013

View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 01 May 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

There is some kind of twisted logic in this:

- T28 has strong armour so it needs some weakspots,

- T28 prot. has weaker armour so it doesn't need weakspots.

 

Strong cupolas help T28 prot. even if its turret is weak. If you can shoot its turret, he can shoot at you too - unlike cupolas on top which can be abused to shoot somebody without him being able to retaliate.

But it's also a possibility that cupolas on T28 prot. were overbuffed by a mistake. But I don't think they were swapped with T28 - this tank would be way too strong without weakspots on top.

Imo the t28prot has quite strong frontal armor, until it faces tier 9 tanks with 250-270 penetration. The side armor is nothing however. 



Dava_117 #8 Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:53 AM

    Major

  • Player
  • 18519 battles
  • 2,738
  • [B-BAS] B-BAS
  • Member since:
    12-17-2014

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 May 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

It's a problem IMO if every other tank in the game can be tracked and damaged while peeking recklessly around corners. That's rewarding bad plays like the 257 side armor. :)

 

Well, while 257 V shape can be trollish, having the drive wheele that get exposed before the hull, like in Churchill or T28, it's a double edge blade: sure it helps to not get permatracked and damaged at the same time, but it also negate some peeking tactics that require a more common shape, like angling the frontal plates, using them to shield the external track while bouncig the incoming fire...

Edited by Dava_117, 02 May 2018 - 09:54 AM.


vixu #9 Posted 02 May 2018 - 09:57 AM

    Lieutenant Сolonel

  • Player
  • 41892 battles
  • 3,189
  • Member since:
    03-19-2011

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 May 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

It's a problem IMO if every other tank in the game can be tracked and damaged while peeking recklessly around corners. That's rewarding bad plays like the 257 side armor. :)

 

Says the happy owner of 268v4, Type5 , Patriot, Chrysler, and e-25 :facepalm:

Pick recklessly on churchill or arl44  ends badly pretty fast. 

XxKuzkina_MatxX #10 Posted 02 May 2018 - 10:21 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 47700 battles
  • 1,381
  • [RU18] RU18
  • Member since:
    04-02-2016

View PostDava_117, on 02 May 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

 

Well, while 257 V shape can be trollish, having the drive wheel that get exposed before the hull, like in Churchill or T28, it's a double edge blade: sure it helps to not get permatracked and damaged at the same time, but it also negate some peeking tactics that require a more common shape, like angling the frontal plates, using them to shield the external track while bouncing the incoming fire...

 

But you don't need to expose the angled front plate when the flywheel does the job pretty good as a bait. :)
 

View Postvixu, on 02 May 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

 

Says the happy owner of 268v4, Type5 , Patriot, Chrysler, and e-25 :facepalm:

Pick recklessly on churchill or arl44  ends badly pretty fast. 

 

Yep i am happy with those except the 268v4 which i find more dumb than powerful and i don't own the patriot anymore, traded it for a lowe. :)

 

N.B: you're welcome to shoot me in those tanks if you meet me in battle whether i am on your team or the enemy's.


 

Dava_117 #11 Posted 02 May 2018 - 10:33 AM

    Major

  • Player
  • 18519 battles
  • 2,738
  • [B-BAS] B-BAS
  • Member since:
    12-17-2014

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 May 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

 

But you don't need to expose the angled front plate when the flywheel does the job pretty good as a bait. :)

 

But that works just once every 90 seconds! ;)

I have quite an experience in tier 6 fighting those tanks, and have to say it didn't help much this design. I would say it's a noobtrap.

About T28, it's so slow that I usually aim at the cupolas or LFP in HTs while in MT I prefere to sidehug it or park in his back. :)



XxKuzkina_MatxX #12 Posted 02 May 2018 - 10:52 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 47700 battles
  • 1,381
  • [RU18] RU18
  • Member since:
    04-02-2016

View PostDava_117, on 02 May 2018 - 11:33 AM, said:

 

But that works just once every 90 seconds! ;)

I have quite an experience in tier 6 fighting those tanks, and have to say it didn't help much this design. I would say it's a noobtrap.

About T28, it's so slow that I usually aim at the cupolas or LFP in HTs while in MT I prefere to sidehug it or park in his back. :)

 

Sorry, i don't get it. What works once every 90 seconds? :)

Dava_117 #13 Posted 02 May 2018 - 11:09 AM

    Major

  • Player
  • 18519 battles
  • 2,738
  • [B-BAS] B-BAS
  • Member since:
    12-17-2014

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 May 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

Sorry, i don't get it. What works once every 90 seconds? :)

 

Because of repair kit cooldown. Otherwise you can get permatracked an took down by unspotted tanks or arty. :)






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users