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trrprrprr #1 Posted 01 May 2018 - 07:31 PM

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Is it just me or lowes 120mm turret kinda doesnt pen any type of normal AP shell? I mean, 20m away with 271AP shell doesnt even scrach that bugged turret?!  Is it some fail from mods or its designed like that - on paper 120mm, in reality its ~ 400+ armor?  or designed, so only premium shells pens it?  2x higher pen than turret armor, yet 0 chance to pen it.    Always when i encounter them hull down, always think same - how the [edited]120mm turret is able to bounce every 270-300pen AP shell while other tank 270-300mm is easy penned by same caliber gun AP.   Isnt Lowes turret just mistake?

 

I thinks lowes turret is only problem ive encountered in this game.... 


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Replay.

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umm..I think it works just as intended.

https://tanks.gg/tank/lowe/model?vm=live



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It's 120mm but more importantly, it's curved. There are a couple of spots head-on where you might pen the turret but the combination of effective armour and curves means you're more likely to bounce.

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View Posttrrprrprr, on 01 May 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

Is it just me or lowes 120mm turret kinda doesnt pen any type of normal AP shell? I mean, 20m away with 271AP shell doesnt even scrach that bugged turret?!  Is it some fail from mods or its designed like that - on paper 120mm, in reality its ~ 400+ armor?  or designed, so only premium shells pens it?  2x higher pen than turret armor, yet 0 chance to pen it.    Always when i encounter them hull down, always think same - how the [edited]120mm turret is able to bounce every 270-300pen AP shell while other tank 270-300mm is easy penned by same caliber gun AP.   Isnt Lowes turret just mistake?

 

I thinks lowes turret is only problem ive encountered in this game.... 

 

Reading your words is like watching a person with knees in the back of their legs walking.

HassenderZerhacker #6 Posted 01 May 2018 - 07:50 PM

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you just have to know where to shoot löwe's turret. if it faces you 100% you will want to wait for it to turn about 30 degrees to shoot the cheek. 

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View Posttrrprrprr, on 01 May 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

Is it just me or lowes 120mm turret kinda doesnt pen any type of normal AP shell? I mean, 20m away with 271AP shell doesnt even scrach that bugged turret?!  Is it some fail from mods or its designed like that - on paper 120mm, in reality its ~ 400+ armor?  or designed, so only premium shells pens it?  2x higher pen than turret armor, yet 0 chance to pen it.    Always when i encounter them hull down, always think same - how the [edited]120mm turret is able to bounce every 270-300pen AP shell while other tank 270-300mm is easy penned by same caliber gun AP.   Isnt Lowes turret just mistake?

 

I thinks lowes turret is only problem ive encountered in this game.... 

 

This is a russian "game" so I advice not to trust any numerically measured feature in it. 

 

Today I got in position to shoot with T-28's premium ammo (198 mm pene) an enemy Matilda's rear armor (55 mm). Of my 5 or 6 shots 2 (two) penetrated. This happened in the final moments of that "game", and "game" was lost, of course. 

 

Pre-set game results are impossible to change. Sometimes that needs disregarding any written penetration and damage-making rules of this "game".  

 



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View Posttrrprrprr, on 01 May 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

Is it just me or lowes 120mm turret kinda doesnt pen any type of normal AP shell? I mean, 20m away with 271AP shell doesnt even scrach that bugged turret?!  Is it some fail from mods or its designed like that - on paper 120mm, in reality its ~ 400+ armor? 

 

It's 120mm... with 150mm mantle above it. So it's spaced armor as well. So it's 330 to over 450 effective at most angles. So it's great hull down or if you get in their faces. It's why the Lowe is one of the more better tier 8 premiums around. That's not broken at the same time.

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View PostLaukaus, on 01 May 2018 - 08:04 PM, said:

This is a russian "game" so I advice not to trust any numerically measured feature in it. 

 

Today I got in position to shoot with T-28's premium ammo (198 mm pene) an enemy Matilda's rear armor (55 mm). Of my 5 or 6 shots 2 (two) penetrated. This happened in the final moments of that "game", and "game" was lost, of course. 

 

Pre-set game results are impossible to change. Sometimes that needs disregarding any written penetration and damage-making rules of this "game".  

 

If you're so sure this is true, why do you play it?

Balc0ra #10 Posted 01 May 2018 - 09:21 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 01 May 2018 - 09:19 PM, said:

 

If you're so sure this is true, why do you play it?

 

More to the point. Why use 200 pen gold ammo on 55mm? Then again I suspect he hit the track, or it was at a 70 degree angle. Either way... It's WG's fault.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 01 May 2018 - 08:21 PM, said:

Why use 200 pen gold ammo on 55mm?

 

The AP on that gun only has 112mm pen so it's best to be sure.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 01 May 2018 - 08:21 PM, said:

 

More to the point. Why use 200 pen gold ammo on 55mm? Then again I suspect he hit the track, or it was at a 70 degree angle. Either way... It's WG's fault.

 

Of course you know better than me what happened. That's one feature of kids writing on WoT forum. 

 

But answer for your question is: 

1) there was a possibility that I would have faced Matilda's front. But he decided to turn his rear against me. 

2) according to my experience it's better shoot a Matilda with prem ammo, at least when driving a same tier tank. 

3) It may be predicted that if I had shot normal ammo, none would have penetrated. 

 

Though your question is irrelevant because pre-set game results are impossible to change. 

 



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View PostLaukaus, on 02 May 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

Of course you know better than me what happened. That's one feature of kids writing on WoT forum. 

 

But answer for your question is: 

1) there was a possibility that I would have faced Matilda's front. But he decided to turn his rear against me. 

2) according to my experience it's better shoot a Matilda with prem ammo, at least when driving a same tier tank. 

3) It may be predicted that if I had shot normal ammo, none would have penetrated. 

 

Though your question is irrelevant because pre-set game results are impossible to change. 

 

 

Stange, I find AMX40 AP round enought to pen sides and rear of a Matilda. And if you aim the right spots, you can even pen it frontally.

But if you looks on tanks.gg you can also see that Matilda upper back plate can easily be angled at autobounce, so I would say it was you aiming at the wrong place or Matilda driver angling skill.

 

On topic, Lowe armour is well sloped in the turret front, so the effective thickness is greater, plus the sloped gun mantlet above it. Really a good and reliable turret. If you're forced to frontal engagement with an hulldown lowe, you can aim for the small commander cupola or load HE an aim at turret sides.

 

Edit

Lowe turret front, while listed as 120mm thick, is actually 180mm. Probably WG forgot to update the value on the tank chart...


Edited by Dava_117, 02 May 2018 - 12:06 PM.


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View PostLaukaus, on 02 May 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

Of course you know better than me what happened.

Given the delusion and broken perception of many players posting things like that... yes, other people might indeed know better what happened. Why don't you just upload the replay, so that we can eliminate every kind of doubt and finally prove that WG is rigging everything?

 

Oh, wait. I forgot.

Spoiler

 

 



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View PostLaukaus, on 02 May 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

Of course you know better than me what happened. That's one feature of kids writing on WoT forum.

 

No one does, but I'm just going off what most that don't post a replay do on this forum. Then again considering what you get on a low roll with that ammo. If the angle was right, that would have been a 100% auto pen. But since it was not, there are only two explanations left, spaced/tracked or high angle. Well 3 if you count yours with WG rigging.

 

View PostLaukaus, on 02 May 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

2) according to my experience it's better shoot a Matilda with prem ammo, at least when driving a same tier tank.

 

 

Depends. As that tank is more or less just spaced armor on the hull. So thus for some guns, pressing 2 is worse as most of the T28 guns uses HEAT. Even more if there is an angle of impact. As it has less normalization vs AP with your top gun anyway.

 

 

 

 

 


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View PostJigabachi, on 02 May 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

Given the delusion and broken perception of many players posting things like that... yes, other people might indeed know better what happened. Why don't you just upload the replay, so that we can eliminate every kind of doubt and finally prove that WG is rigging everything?

 

Oh, wait. I forgot.

Spoiler

 

 

 

You are a funny guy. You know, the last I will do in this forum, is to post replays so that every sarcastic forumist could start their mourning how they would have done better than me and won that "game" single-handedly.   
 

View PostDava_117, on 02 May 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

 

Stange, I find AMX40 AP round enought to pen sides and rear of a Matilda. And if you aim the right spots, you can even pen it frontally.

But if you looks on tanks.gg you can also see that Matilda upper back plate can easily be angled at autobounce, so I would say it was you aiming at the wrong place or Matilda driver angling skill.

 

On topic, Lowe armour is well sloped in the turret front, so the effective thickness is greater, plus the sloped gun mantlet above it. Really a good and reliable turret. If you're forced to frontal engagement with an hulldown lowe, you can aim for the small commander cupola or load HE an aim at turret sides.

 

Edit

Lowe turret front, while listed as 120mm thick, is actually 180mm. Probably WG forgot to update the value on the tank chart...

 

Yes, very strange. That's what I have been trying to tell in these posts. 

 

That would be not the only thing WG "forgot" to do. 


 

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View PostLaukaus, on 02 May 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

Of course you know better than me what happened. That's one feature of kids writing on WoT forum. 

 

But answer for your question is: 

1) there was a possibility that I would have faced Matilda's front. But he decided to turn his rear against me. 

2) according to my experience it's better shoot a Matilda with prem ammo, at least when driving a same tier tank. 

3) It may be predicted that if I had shot normal ammo, none would have penetrated. 

 

Though your question is irrelevant because pre-set game results are impossible to change. 

 

Can you prove 'pre-set game results'?



trrprrprr #18 Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:25 PM

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Thanks for clearing this out for me...atleast to ones who wrote on topic!  So that tanks.gg 3d model is legit.....as ingame tank stats like lowes "120" armor turret  isnt right....120mm armor it has on sides.  Anyways, thanks!

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View PostLaukaus, on 02 May 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

 

Of course you know better than me what happened. 

 

Experience has taught us that when a replay finally surfaces we generally did know better than the person involved.

 

View Posttrrprrprr, on 02 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

Thanks for clearing this out for me...atleast to ones who wrote on topic!  So that tanks.gg 3d model is legit.....as ingame tank stats like lowes "120" armor turret  isnt right....120mm armor it has on sides.  Anyways, thanks!

 

The in game stat is always simplified.  A turret front may have 20 different thicknesses of armour, which do you want them to pick?  If they go for the highest then you will get owners of the tank complaining that it isn't as good as advertised, if they go for the lowest then we get the situation in this thread.  They have to keep it simple for the simple people.
 

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View PostLordMuffin, on 02 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Can you prove 'pre-set game results'?

 

hahahaahahah.  Very logical question. But we are not in courtroom, where everything at least should be proved.

 

Which one of the following would be more wise from WG's point of view? 

 

1) Keep the programming code classified, maximise profit with all means and claim disbelievers as being tin foil hat users? 

 

2) Make the programming code and fraud public and lose reliability (even that what is left of it)?

 

 

 

Can YOU prove game results are NOT pre-set?   






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