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Hellfoxe #1 Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:30 PM

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I'm wondering Soviets get td like obj 268 v4 and are japan td to weak or just balanced between the soviet and german line td. Decent firepower and accuracy but less armor.

Nishi_Kinuyo #2 Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:33 PM

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I suggest you'd read this thread: http://forum.worldof...e-proposal-v20/

TL;DR: most are pretty paper, but the high tiers get some armour.


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Hellfoxe #3 Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:37 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 02 May 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

I suggest you'd read this thread: http://forum.worldof...e-proposal-v20/

TL;DR: most are pretty paper, but the high tiers get some armour.

 

Hm paper td are same  as the British tech tree but is it worth or not for it.

Nishi_Kinuyo #4 Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:48 PM

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View PostHellfoxe, on 02 May 2018 - 12:37 PM, said:

 

Hm paper td are same  as the British tech tree but is it worth or not for it.

Depending on how they're implemented, they could be.

The Ho-Ri ones (tier 8+) could be implemented with the same autoreloader system as the Italian hightiers got, so that would make them unique compared to the French autoloader TDs.

Add ontop of that the fact that the French ones get 12cm cannons while the Japanese ones only 10cm, along with the really good gun depression.

Oh, and they're all historical, unlike the Chinese TDs. :sceptic:



leggasiini #5 Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:54 PM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I don't know, it kinda puzzles me that why they still haven't introduced the Japanese TDs, because:

 

  • has enough historical candidates for all tiers; only tier 9-10 require some unhistorical modifications in terms of gun options
  • would be an unique branch as well in terms of playstyle, assuming that it's balanced right
  • due to long development progress of the Ho-Ri, it would be possible to have a very consistent line from tier 7  - 10 in terms of playstyle, which also is a big bonus for WG
  • has a lot of premium candidates that would also be unique in terms of playstyle, and even have a tier 8 premium that matches the playstyle of the hightier vehicles in the branch with it's own unique twists
  • is another branch for a nation that is fairly old but has only 2 full branches

 

I guess WG has their...priorities. For same reason why the Chieftain haven't been introduced yet, I guess. With WG finishing HD maps, HD models, probably finishing tech tree reworks this year as well, adding two new nations and a lot of mechanics they wanted to rework (MM, arty, LTs), I assume the Japanese TD line does have a pretty good chance to happen in 2019. WG did say a month ago or so that there are some ideas with a Japanese TD branch, but it hasn't progressed super far yet. It is still possible that Japanese TDs comes late-2018, assuming the Polish tech tree is actually coming before Christmas (which is likely because the work has progressed far enough to the point that PL tree has a good chance of appearing in 3-4 months).

 

View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 02 May 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

The Ho-Ri ones (tier 8+) could be implemented with the same autoreloader system as the Italian hightiers got, so that would make them unique compared to the French autoloader TDs.

 

Even without an autoreloader mechanism, the Ho-Ris would be quite unique and be quite different from the French TDs. Ho-Ri (tier X) vs Foch B is actually comparable to TVP 50/51 vs Batchat 25t comparison. Ho-Ri's gun, gun arc and armor layout would set it apart from the Foch B. If anything, it's more like the old Object 263 with -10 depression and smaller caliber autoloading gun.


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FatigueGalaxy #6 Posted 02 May 2018 - 07:31 PM

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The answer is simple: look at chinese TDs.

Longer answer:

WG is currently giving players whatever they demand the most and what is cheap and easy to produce. That's why we got french heavy tanks (which were made long time ago, just needed some rebalancing) and changes in tech trees. But even this was too much for WG: french heavy tanks were rushed (no changes to previous vehicles which required buffs, bugged model on AMX 65t, underwhelming tier 10) and they couldn't finish replacement tanks for soviet tech tree revision so we have to tier 9s without tier 10s now.

And it's because all efforts went into update 1.0. They are still working on it, because its release wasn't without hiccups.

 

Probably there is no time to make a full tech tree of vehicles that won't be played by anybody. We'll get japanese TDs only when WG will be short of other, more demanded content to introduce. Sadly.



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You never know what they will come up next. I certainly did not expect the Japanese to invent a way to put coastal batteries on tracks.

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View PostBrowarszky, on 02 May 2018 - 06:46 PM, said:

You never know what they will come up next. I certainly did not expect the Japanese to invent a way to put coastal batteries on tracks.

 

I bet you were also surprised by the British ingenuity in designing a TD that went a lot faster driving backwards.

 

In the 1970s we also invented a car whose main selling point was that it had a square steering wheel.  Sadly, the expected overseas sales for this brilliant concept failed to materialise.

 



vixu #9 Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:33 PM

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I guess, they have chosen Swedish TDs first, and now they need to bring some other types in. Also, European lines are more desired by many players.

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 02 May 2018 - 07:26 PM, said:

 

I bet you were also surprised by the British ingenuity in designing a TD that went a lot faster driving backwards.

 

In the 1970s we also invented a car whose main selling point was that it had a square steering wheel.  Sadly, the expected overseas sales for this brilliant concept failed to materialise.

 

 

You didn't say, but the TD too must have been an export model...

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 02 May 2018 - 08:26 PM, said:

 

I bet you were also surprised by the British ingenuity in designing a TD that went a lot faster driving backwards.

 

In the 1970s we also invented a car whose main selling point was that it had a square steering wheel.  Sadly, the expected overseas sales for this brilliant concept failed to materialise.

 

 

That looks so terrible its nice again... sort of. :amazed:

Bulldog_Drummond #12 Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:55 PM

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View PostHaZardeur, on 02 May 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

 

That looks so terrible its nice again... sort of. :amazed:

 

Notice the cunningly positioned clock so if you want to check the time you will most likely drive into the back of a lorry.

Bulldog_Drummond #13 Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:57 PM

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View PostBrowarszky, on 02 May 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

 

You didn't say, but the TD too must have been an export model...

 

Actually this was a real life British TD, look up the Archer.

 

In game it's very effective, if you don't mind driving backwards most of the time.



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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 02 May 2018 - 07:57 PM, said:

 

Actually this was a real life British TD, look up the Archer.

 

In game it's very effective, if you don't mind driving backwards most of the time.

 

Sounds quite delicious!

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View PostBrowarszky, on 02 May 2018 - 08:16 PM, said:

 

Sounds quite delicious!

 

A product of our English boys only boarding schools, of course.




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