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CamperKaempfer #1 Posted 02 May 2018 - 11:03 PM

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TIER 2

1) semovente da 47/32

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NAME ARMOUR   MOBILITY TOP_ARMAMENT NOTES__________________
SEMOVENTE DA 47/32

FRONT: 30mm

SIDE: 14.5mm

OPEN TOP

ENGINE_POWER:108hp

SPECIFIC_POWER:16,62hp/t

CANNONE DA 47/40

PENETRATION: 70mm

DAMAGE: 50HP

based on the chassis of the italian tier 2 light tank (L6/40) and therefore shares the same albeit unhistorical 108hp engine. same top gun as the italian tier 4 (m15/42)

 

2) semovente da 75/18 or M.40

75 18.jpgSemovente_75_18_Bergamo.JPG75 18 bis.jpg

 

NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY ARMAMENT___ NOTES____________

SEMOVENTE_M40

DA 75/18

FRONT:50mm (flat)    30mm (sloped glacis)

SIDE_AND_REAR:25mm

ENGINE_POWER: 125hp

SPECIFIC_POWER:9.54hp/t

-12° of gun depression

75mm_HOWITZER(HE)

PENETRATION: 38mm

DAMAGE: 175HP

derpy like the removed tier 2 american T18 (same caliber)

terrible shell velocity (short gun)

 

alternative 1) semovente M.41 da 75/18 same tank as the M.40 but with a 145hp engine. i thought the m.41 was good enough

alternative 2 or premium) semovente L3

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NAME ARMOUR____ MOBILITY ARMAMENT NOTES________________
SEMOVENTE_L3 exactly unknown but certainly negligible

ENGINE_POWER:108hp

SPECIFIC_POWER≈30hp/t

same as first tier 2 presented very bad choice given there's two better ones. never entered service

 

TIER 3

1) semovente M.41 da 75/32

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NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY FIREPOWER____ NOTES_________
SEMOVENTE_M41 DA 75/32

FRONT:50mm (flat)    30mm (sloped glacis)

SIDE_AND_REAR:25mm

ENGINE_POWER: 145hp

SPECIFIC_POWER:slightly

more than 11hp/t

CANNONE DA 75/32

PENETRATION:92mm

DAMAGE: 110HP

proof of concept for a long 75mm in hte M.41 chassis. one prototype was built

 

2) semovente M.6

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NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY_________ FIREPOWER___ NOTES____________
SEMOVENTE_ M.6 DA 75/34 unknown but i will assume it's very thin

ENGINE_POWER:108hp

SPECIFIC POWER:depending on the armour. probably around 15hp/t

either of the two 75mm guns of the italian tier 5, preferrable the top one (same as the tier 4 TD) one a wooden mock-up was ever built. i think the previous option is by far the better one

 

TIER 4

1) semovente M.42 da 75/34

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NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY FIREPOWER NOTES_______________
SEMOVENTE_ M41 DA 75/34

FRONT:50mm (flat)    30mm (sloped glacis)

SIDE_AND_REAR:25mm

ENGINE POWER: 250hp

SPECIFIC_POWER:16.67hp/t

CANNONE_DA_75/34

PENETRATION:92mm

DAMAGE: 110HP

since this is based on the hull of the M15/42 i gave it hte same unhistorical 250hp skoda top engine the M15/42 has in the game

 

2) semovente M43 da 75/34

no pictures available to me or even existing but it there are accounts of either 23 or 29 units being produced

NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY________ FIREPOWER___ NOTES________________
SEMOVENTE_M.43 DA 75/34

FRONT:70mm

SIDE: 45mm

REAR: 25mm

TOP:15mm

ENGINE POWER: 192hp

SPECIFIC POWER: unknown to me. i can't derive it from the semovente da 105/25 because i don't know the weight of its gun

CANNONE DA 75/34

PENETRATION:92mm

DAMAGE: 110HP

in order to balance it it should receive worse soft stats than the M42

in order not to make it better than the M42 i refrained from giving it the 430h engine i will give to the other m43's or even the 250hp engine of the other tier 4, soft stats should also be worse than the M42's

 

TIER 5

1) semovente M43 da 75/46

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NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY FIREPOWER NOTES____________________
SEMOVENTE_M43 DA 75/46

FRONT:100mm

SIDE: 60mm

REAR: 35mm

TOP: 15mm

ENGINE_POWER:430hp

SPECIFIC_POWER:27,22hp/t

 

same as the italian tier 5 medium but with -12°/+22°

PENETRATION:107mm

i gave it an unhistorical 430hp engine (the top engine of italian tier 4 medium).

its firepower is bad but compensated by the excellent armour, mobility and gun depression

 

 

2) semovente M41 da 90/53

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NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY FIREPOWER_____ NOTES_____
SEMOVENTE_M41 DA 90/53 30mm MAX

ENGINE_POWER: 145hp

SPECIFIC_POWER:8.5 hp/t

same CANNONE DA 90/53 that is on the P.43 TER

PENETRATION: 165mm

DAMAGE: 240HP

the turret could rotate 40°  to either side and the gun could depress 8°

 

TIER 6

1) semovente M43 da 105/25

105 25 bis.jpgsemovente da 105.gif105 25 ter.jpgSemovente_105_25.jpgSem105-25.jpg

NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY FIREPOWER__ NOTES

SEMOVENTE_M43

DA 105/25

FRONT:70mm

SIDE: 45mm

REAR: 25mm

TOP:15mm

ENGINE_POWER:430hp

SPECIFIC_POWER:27,22hp/t
gun not yet in the game. it's a very long 105mm howitzer. 12° of gun depression unhistorical 430hp engine (same of the italian tier 4 medium)

 

1) semovente P.40 da 90/53

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NAME ARMOUR MOBILITY FIREPOWER NOTES

SEMOVENTE_P.40

DA 90/53

unknown

ENGINE_POWER:430hp

POWER/WEIGHT:depends on the armour

DAMAGE:240HP

PENETRATION:165mm

 

 

 

 

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WG won't bother implementing an incomplete line(aka, tanks have to add up to tier10)

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View PostSpurtung, on 02 May 2018 - 11:25 PM, said:

Writing in red while calling for moderators' attention. Smart.

 

oh, stop it, you!

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Well the most powerful armoured vehicle the italians sent to russia was the semovente da 47/32 so it needs to be tier 4 up lol,  pure KV1 & T34 dominator :-)

Pretty good line up but would end up with completly made up higher tiers to fill out the line



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View Postimperiumgraecum, on 03 May 2018 - 01:45 AM, said:

WG won't bother implementing an incomplete line(aka, tanks have to add up to tier10)

 

do you think it would be too unorthodox tank destroyers to lead to mediums?

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View PostTORKARDGIANT, on 03 May 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

Well the most powerful armoured vehicle the italians sent to russia was the semovente da 47/32 so it needs to be tier 4 up lol,  pure KV1 & T34 dominator :-)

Pretty good line up but would end up with completly made up higher tiers to fill out the line

 

do you have any idea for those? also do you think it would be too unorthodox for those two lines to lead to a line of medium tanks?

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View Postimperiumgraecum, on 03 May 2018 - 01:45 AM, said:

WG won't bother implementing an incomplete line(aka, tanks have to add up to tier10)

 

Which is a shame really, and it wasn't always that way.  They were quite happy to dead end lines as early as tier 4 in the past.  And it could add some interest to the lower tiers.

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View PostCamperKaempfer, on 03 May 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

do you think it would be too unorthodox tank destroyers to lead to mediums?

 

Not at all, certainly it could happen; it actually does, with many other nations+classes(eg. TigerP->Ferdinand, Churchill I->Churchill gun Carrier, KV13->IS etc). But I doubt WG are willing to spend valuable (mostly human) resources, just to make the Italian Tree a bit more historical

PS. lel right, as if WG care about historical accuracy 
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