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P26/40 the Italian M4 at tier IV


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Snaques #1 Posted 03 May 2018 - 09:55 PM

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So the Italian tech tree opened today and I've now played through to tier V. On the way, the tier IV medium P26/40 has been by far the most fun tank in the tech tree. The HE pen is just ridiculous and I would think that it is a bug, if I didn't know how many raised the issue during the common tests.

 

Having a decently handling derp gun with 175 alpha on tier IV is just hilarious. I carried probably 1/3 HE and rest AP. Smashing those 200+ hits is quite funny especially as you can do it consistently.

 

What do you guys think, is the HE on this tank really balanced for its tier?



Suurpolskija #2 Posted 04 May 2018 - 09:58 AM

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Yep, can confirm that low tiers are now broken by this tank.

 

With their accuracy and the small turret, I can see how horrible the experience will be for people playing tanks in their 50% crews against these tanks that don't even have to really aim and can 2 shot people in just a matter of seconds. And no, it's not like M4 or Pz4h, these are actually quite accurate and are harder targets to hit.

 

While M4 fires once every 7-ish seconds with 0.55 accuracy, these monsters will do it every 4 seconds with 0.41

accuracy.

 

And the 70mm pen? Only thing that won't penetrate is Matilda @ tier4. And Matilda is probably one of the most if not the most armored tank at those tiers.


Edited by Suurpolskija, 04 May 2018 - 10:12 AM.


HidesHisFace #3 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:11 PM

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From my experiences facing this thing - it is quite absurd when top tier. 

50mm front, decently sloped, making it very hard to pen for guns with around 70mm pen of less.

 

Penetration on AP is very reasonable for that tier and on HE it is downright ridiculous - giving it absurd DPM value. All this with absolutely average gun handling for this tier.

 

On top of that, it has decent mobility and absolutely average viewrange.

 

It has no real flaws when you thing about it. In every aspect it is either average or way ABOVE average.

It can easily massacre anything it meets at tier IV, can still work reasonably well at tier V.


Edited by HidesHisFace, 04 May 2018 - 02:13 PM.


CptGielie #4 Posted 05 May 2018 - 07:48 AM

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According to the official designation; this was a Heavy tank. But I can see why WG placed it in the Medium line. I'm really having a blast playing the Italians so far. 

Darius_B1bis #5 Posted 05 May 2018 - 08:22 AM

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Well, now I'm having fun with Obj 704, but I'm looking forward to gain free exp for P26/40, these opinions inspire confidence :B

sabre_ferret #6 Posted 07 May 2018 - 04:51 PM

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I really don't feel like the HE pen is the 70mm.  I have had nothing but sub 100 dmg rolls regardless of where I hit on it.  I caught an enemy P26 40 half way around a corner and had to switch to AP because shooting him through the drive wheel was only causing crits.  

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View Postsabre_ferret, on 07 May 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

I really don't feel like the HE pen is the 70mm.  I have had nothing but sub 100 dmg rolls regardless of where I hit on it.  I caught an enemy P26 40 half way around a corner and had to switch to AP because shooting him through the drive wheel was only causing crits.  

 

Tracks and wheels are treated as spaced armour. Unfortunately the Italian tank models aren't working yet on tanks.gg but this is a picture of the VK 20.01 (D) that has the same side armour (40mm) with the cursor over the centre of the drive wheel. I'd say your shell is exploding before it pens the hull and the tank is only taking damage from the blast, like any other non-penning HE.

 



sabre_ferret #8 Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:53 AM

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Yeah that makes sense, but I had shots in to the side of his turret and upper side of the hull landing as crit hits as well.  I ended up switching to AP and a couple of HEAT rounds to keep him permatracked and kill him.  I had another game in it yesterday where I flanked a VK 30.01 H and wrecked him with three shots through the turret sides and rear hull; and one shotted an enemy P26 40 that tried to save him!  I felt much better about the 70mm then.  :D  

Brazilski #9 Posted 23 May 2018 - 11:26 AM

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Isn't the problem that the P40 was supposed to be a 'heavy' tank, yet is implemented in the medium line in WoT?

Eokokok #10 Posted 23 May 2018 - 12:00 PM

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The last thing this game needs is more wannabe tier 4 heavies that have nothing heavy about them.

leggasiini #11 Posted 23 May 2018 - 12:12 PM

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View PostBrazilski, on 23 May 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

Isn't the problem that the P40 was supposed to be a 'heavy' tank, yet is implemented in the medium line in WoT?

 

It was "heavy" only in Italian service, because it was heavy compared to other Italian vehicles. In terms of general parameters, it pretty much was a medium tank in every single metric.

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Brazilski #12 Posted 23 May 2018 - 12:31 PM

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View PostEokokok, on 23 May 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

The last thing this game needs is more wannabe tier 4 heavies that have nothing heavy about them.

 

View Postleggasiini, on 23 May 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

 

It was "heavy" only in Italian service, because it was heavy compared to other Italian vehicles. In terms of general parameters, it pretty much was a medium tank in every single metric.

 

I know, but the role the Italians intended for it, along with perhaps WG's attempt to somewhat comply with it, might explain why we end up with rather inflated gun stats on a medium.

Eokokok #13 Posted 23 May 2018 - 12:55 PM

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The gun is not the problem, the insane HE is. Without it, well, its not really that strong, compared to T-28 and prem one.

leggasiini #14 Posted 23 May 2018 - 02:29 PM

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It's still a very solid tank even without the broken HE, so it's really easy to fix - just nerf the penetration to normal levels. Done.

John_Black_Jack_Pershing #15 Posted 17 December 2018 - 01:53 PM

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Dunno if anyone experienced this, but when aiming upwards, it suddenly jumped skyhigh, as if blindfiring in a certain elevation wasn't allowed. Happened twice, vehicle was still so no roadbumps or slopes. And the reticle just avoided a certain area.

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View PostJohn_Black_Jack_Pershing, on 17 December 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

Dunno if anyone experienced this, but when aiming upwards, it suddenly jumped skyhigh, as if blindfiring in a certain elevation wasn't allowed. Happened twice, vehicle was still so no roadbumps or slopes. And the reticle just avoided a certain area.

 

Case of cursor snapping onto a tank and compensating for the slow velocity projectile?



Antaris #17 Posted 26 December 2018 - 10:53 AM

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The tank is sluggish for a medium, bad aim time, bad view range. HE penetrations are very rare. May be we liked it because of very bad 5th and 6th tiers after it...

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Noo_Noo #18 Posted 23 March 2019 - 09:46 PM

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I like this one despite the short comings of mobility and aim time it hits hard enough to make up for it. 

HE you say. We'll give it a go. 

Low tiers are a mkess though and not because of this tank. PZ1C's, M2 mediums, seal clubbers etc. that's where the problem is. if you're not in one of those etc. you're in for a hard day

asonicR #19 Posted 26 July 2019 - 01:19 PM

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  Helou am buy this tank. this is good . Goodbay. 




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