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Legend1466 #1 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:19 PM

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When the Italian tanks came, half of players went ahead to play it quickly. Reason? At low tier there is a armor that's hard to even penetrate with my Type 97 Chi-Ha in my last battle because it's sloped despite my gun being able to pierce 81mm even if it may be sloped. And not only it's the bad thing for other players, but matchmaking is suffering; Everytime I play a Japanese tank, I am oftenly the ONLY Japanese tank in the battle... Which is actually bad :(. And the battle is flooded with pasta tanks too. Their gun is unfair; At tier 4 (P26/40 fully researched) you can even destroy tanks quick with a gun that deals oftenly 110dmg :angry: And It's only my opinion and critic.

 

The only problem is: Historical inaccuracy. Let's say that P designation stands in Italian for: "Heavy" because it was intended to support smaller tanks. How it did slip the development team? Well if it was really a heavy tank, it would make Italian tanks less occuring in the battle. But not only that; P43 the heavy tank was a even the heavier version of P26/40 but it was never implemented somehow because "UNBALANCED" thing. Bro, just put it in the mini-line and it's ok.

 

There was too a very incompetent light tank called: L3/35. You can find it on Wikipedia and it's hilarous that they mass-produced it :D.

 

Solution?  Make it harder to research actually. More research = more grind. That's how it should work. 

Source: P43 tank

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Geno1isme #2 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:24 PM

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Just wait a few days for low-tier MM to return to normal. Just the same thing as every time a new nation is added.

Enforcer1975 #3 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:27 PM

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Italian tanks are basically underpowered heavies that only have better HE performance in exchange. 

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 04 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Italian tanks are basically underpowered heavies that only have better HE performance in exchange. 

 

Well HE is overpowered too

Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:31 PM

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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

 

Well HE is overpowered too

 

In case you missed the reasoning behind the Italian tanks...

 

Still better than "needs to be broken because it's russian". The Pizzatanks have more than enough weaknesses to counter the few benefits. 



Balc0ra #6 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:32 PM

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Nope. Tier 4 arguably due to the gun alone. Tier 5 is good in terms of armor for a tier 5 med sure. But far from the strongest one. Tho I've seen guns like the clip gun from the Leo that did bounce all over vs one. Or the tier 6 that bounced vs tier 4's hull down all day. But unlike most tanks that are OP. These have more bad aspect then good. So tbh.. no not really overall.

 

It's more like Jap lights and meds on low tiers have been left behind in the current low tier meta. Nothing more.


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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

When the Italian tanks came, half of players went ahead to play it quickly. Reason?

To get to higher tiers you have to play the lower tiers first if you don't skip them with free exp. 

 

Nobody cares about low tiers. Just wait couple of weeks max and it's back to normal.



Legend1466 #8 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:42 PM

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But how about someone said it's easy to research Italian tank modules?

ThinGun #9 Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:46 PM

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Haven't encountered a single pastamobile that didn't bow down and weep in front of my Borsig.  Borsigs have this awesome device called 'a gun' that allows all the smoke to leave the aforementioned Italian vehicle, rendering them incapable of further activity.

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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

When the Italian tanks came, half of players went ahead to play it quickly. Reason? 

 

Because ... it's a new line of tanks? :unsure:

 

For what it's worth, I don't think they're over-powered. They have strengths and weaknesses, there are good tanks for their tier and there are meh ones. Overall I think they're pretty well balanced; the auto-loaders have to rely on lucky bounces, the single-shot tanks have relatively long reloads and reasonable aim times, the tier IV is a jewel but most lines have at least one, they have reasonable mobility suiting their role as mediums.



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View PostStrappster, on 04 May 2018 - 02:52 PM, said:

 

Because ... it's a new line of tanks? :unsure:

 

For what it's worth, I don't think they're over-powered. They have strengths and weaknesses, there are good tanks for their tier and there are meh ones. Overall I think they're pretty well balanced; the auto-loaders have to rely on lucky bounces, the single-shot tanks have relatively long reloads and reasonable aim times, the tier IV is a jewel but most lines have at least one, they have reasonable mobility suiting their role as mediums.

 

>Single-shot tanks have long reloads

>You can research another gun that has faster reload but retains good damage

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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

>Single-shot tanks have long reloads

>You can research another gun that has faster reload but retains good damage

:unsure:

 

Firstly, "relatively" is a pretty key word that you've omitted. It's longer than similar tanks of their tier in other nations.

 

Secondly, yes, that's how nearly every tank in the game progresses. There are a few exceptions, such as the SU-152 that gets the big gun as its stock option or the P.43 where the top gun doesn't get the high-pen HE that the first and second guns use. This is something called "balance" and is another benefit of the Italian line being one where bigger is not necessarily better and the player is expected to use their brain.



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View PostStrappster, on 04 May 2018 - 03:05 PM, said:

 

Firstly, "relatively" is a pretty key word that you've omitted. It's longer than similar tanks of their tier in other nations.

 

Secondly, yes, that's how nearly every tank in the game progresses. There are a few exceptions, such as the SU-152 that gets the big gun as its stock option or the P.43 where the top gun doesn't get the high-pen HE that the first and second guns use. This is something called "balance" and is another benefit of the Italian line being one where bigger is not necessarily better and the player is expected to use their brain.

 



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View PostStrappster, on 04 May 2018 - 03:05 PM, said:

 

Firstly, "relatively" is a pretty key word that you've omitted. It's longer than similar tanks of their tier in other nations.

 

Secondly, yes, that's how nearly every tank in the game progresses. There are a few exceptions, such as the SU-152 that gets the big gun as its stock option or the P.43 where the top gun doesn't get the high-pen HE that the first and second guns use. This is something called "balance" and is another benefit of the Italian line being one where bigger is not necessarily better and the player is expected to use their brain.

 

How are players using skill if we're just always relied on luck or bad act of other players? Well that's why we all have 50% win rate even if we used skill

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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 02:15 PM, said:

How are players using skill if we're just always relied on luck or bad act of other players? Well that's why we all have 50% win rate even if we used skill

 

If that's how you want to approach the game, that's up to you. Doesn't mean I'm not making an effort to read the map, appreciate the make-up of each team, consider what approach would be best given my tank, my team's tanks and the enemy tanks and think about what tanks I'm most likely to meet first and what ammo to initially load for them during countdown before I ignore all that and rush in like a yolo-noob regardless.



Legend1466 #16 Posted 04 May 2018 - 03:26 PM

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This thread needs love and attention about Italian tanks and players smh

RamRaid90 #17 Posted 04 May 2018 - 03:28 PM

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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 02:15 PM, said:

 

How are players using skill if we're just always relied on luck or bad act of other players? Well that's why we all have 50% win rate even if we used skill

 

How do we all have 50% win rate?

My win rate is 51%...

My 60 day recent is almost 60%, while also playing at a much higher average tier.

That means I am improving drastically as a player, not that i'm getting more "lucky"

 

I'm not sure you really know much about how this game works.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 04 May 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

 

How do we all have 50% win rate?

My win rate is 51%...

My 60 day recent is almost 60%, while also playing at a much higher average tier.

That means I am improving drastically as a player, not that i'm getting more "lucky"

 

I'm not sure you really know much about how this game works.

 

It's all about thinking bro

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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

This thread needs love and attention about Italian tanks and players smh

 

It was about Italian tanks. You derailed it by querying my point about player skill. And now you're complaining that it should be about the tanks.

 

HTH



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View PostLegend1466, on 04 May 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

 

It's all about thinking bro

 

I'm not sure you're capable, if i'm honest.

 

 


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