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TheOddRogue #1 Posted 05 May 2018 - 12:55 PM

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Yes they clearly needed a buff, but why the [edited]do they get 350 HEAT pen? M60, 121B and VK all get 350 HEAT pen. No other standard medium has this high HEAT pen, this gives a clear advantage against tanks such as Type 5, Maus, 268 4. 

 

I mean are they trying to validate the stereotype of the "gold spamming unicum"?

 

So stupid, this will only cause further distaste and hatred towards successful clan war players. Causing toxicity. Honestly kind of pisses me of as well. 

 

I guess 907 won't be the only arty focus from here on ;)

 

 



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Why is it so that whenever WG does something, it is stupid, and then people play thousands of battles more in a 7 year old game?

 

#puzzled



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It's all edited anyway mate. The whole damn game above tier VII is a joke.

Sfinski #4 Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:02 PM

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View PostElement6_TheSprout, on 05 May 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

Why is it so that whenever WG does something, it is stupid, and then people play thousands of battles more in a 7 year old game?

 

#puzzled

 

Because the core game is good. We don't like WG trying to ruin it. Quite obvious really...

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"advantage against tanks such as Type 5, Maus, 268 4." This seems to me like a good thing, no?

'Press 2 to win' may be poor gameplay design, but so is 'press w to win'  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

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View PostTheOddRogue, on 05 May 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Yes they clearly needed a buff, but why the [edited]do they get 350 HEAT pen? M60, 121B and VK all get 350 HEAT pen. No other standard medium has this high HEAT pen, this gives a clear advantage against tanks such as Type 5, Maus, 268 4. 

 

I mean are they trying to validate the stereotype of the "gold spamming unicum"?

 

So stupid, this will only cause further distaste and hatred towards successful clan war players. Causing toxicity. Honestly kind of pisses me of as well. 

 

I guess 907 won't be the only arty focus from here on ;)

 

 

 

It's actually not even that thing that triggers me......i mean why yes please buff tier 10 even more that tier 8 doesn't have a chance at all instead of nerfing all tanks that need it from tier 8 to 10....

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View PostTheOddRogue, on 05 May 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Yes they clearly needed a buff, but why the [edited]do they get 350 HEAT pen? M60, 121B and VK all get 350 HEAT pen. No other standard medium has this high HEAT pen, this gives a clear advantage against tanks such as Type 5, Maus, 268 4. 

 

I mean are they trying to validate the stereotype of the "gold spamming unicum"?

 

So stupid, this will only cause further distaste and hatred towards successful clan war players. Causing toxicity. Honestly kind of pisses me of as well. 

 

I guess 907 won't be the only arty focus from here on ;)

 

 

 

Cuz someone from WG once had a great idea when he woke up.

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View PostTheOddRogue, on 05 May 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Yes they clearly needed a buff, but why the [edited]do they get 350 HEAT pen? M60, 121B and VK all get 350 HEAT pen. No other standard medium has this high HEAT pen, this gives a clear advantage against tanks such as Type 5, Maus, 268 4.

 

 

 

Makes you wonder what they're going to do with their global premium ammo rebalance.

soul3ater #9 Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:10 PM

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Some of them were broken af and now they give them this pen buff lol 

 

tells you something about what direction this game is/was going.



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View Postsoul3ater, on 05 May 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

Some of them were broken af and now they give them this pen buff lol 

 

tells you something about what direction this game is/was going.

 

pls tell me what CW reward that got a pen buff was broken AF?

 

Yeah, its a pretty weird and unneeded change, but its not a big deal, that extra 20mm of pen doesnt matter that much, it doesnt open up more areas you can pen. It only gives a better chance to pen the areas you could already pen wth 330mm of pen.



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View PostElement6_TheSprout, on 05 May 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

Why is it so that whenever WG does something, it is stupid, and then people play thousands of battles more in a 7 year old game?

 

#puzzled

 

Be fair. Making the M60 a reward tank rather than a regular tank was at best controversial. That many play does not mean no mistakes are made. Acting as if they are perfect is no better than acting as if they are the worst company in the world.

soul3ater #12 Posted 05 May 2018 - 01:19 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 05 May 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

 

pls tell me what CW reward that got a pen buff was broken AF?

 

Yeah, its a pretty weird and unneeded change, but its not a big deal, that extra 20mm of pen doesnt matter that much, it doesnt open up more areas you can pen. It only gives a better chance to pen the areas you could already pen wth 330mm of pen.

 

907 is broken imo, it didn't get the pen buff but I made it clear in my post, that some were broken and now (reward tanks) get a pen buff. 

 

but hey, what do I know, I am a hater since I don't have 907 right? cool

 



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View Postsoul3ater, on 05 May 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

 

907 is broken imo, it didn't get the pen buff but I made it clear in my post, that some were broken and now (reward tanks) get a pen buff. 

 

but hey, what do I know, I am a hater since I don't have 907 right? cool

 

 

So  what relevance does the 907 have to  this discussion than? Why even bring it in. Your choice of words implies clearly that the broken tanks got a pen buff.

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no, you didnt made clear. you suggested that some of those broken ones got the pen buff.

only broken tank was 907, but today... it is even questionable is it "that good" as before, after all these new tanks.

and all other (vk 72, 121 and USAx2) were not OP or broken, by any means... VK was okish/trollish strong tank, but other 3 were UP.

 

I agree and wrote before that this 350 HEAT pen is stupid buff. I would rather see some other buffs.


Edited by Igor_BL, 05 May 2018 - 01:23 PM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 05 May 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

So  what relevance does the 907 have to  this discussion than? Why even bring it in. Your choice of words implies clearly that the broken tanks got a pen buff.

 

who says I can't bring 907 in this, never mind any other thread? as far as it's concerned, 907 is a reward tank. I did make it clear regarding your last part with my second post to clear any misconceptions that it might've implied.

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omg.

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View PostSfinski, on 05 May 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

Because the core game is good. We don't like WG trying to ruin it. Quite obvious really...

I wouldn't call this ruining the game, I think I remember seeing one M60 in battle during the last year or so, wouldn't mind seeing some more tbh. There's like 7100 of them in EU.

 

View PostDracheimFlug, on 05 May 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

Be fair. Making the M60 a reward tank rather than a regular tank was at best controversial. That many play does not mean no mistakes are made. Acting as if they are perfect is no better than acting as if they are the worst company in the world.

What constitue a mistake is mostly down to personal opinion since we know that WG doing X is labelled both good and bad, at the same time, by different people. In reality there is no worst or best, it's all down to what works to a satisfactory level for a huge group of people.

 

 



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TL;DR: Only good players got T10 reward tanks, therefore tanks seem OP, "OMG, why buff gold pen on OP tanks, WG!?"

350mm of pen is still ridiculously high though for none T10 TDs.


Edited by lgfrbcsgo, 05 May 2018 - 01:37 PM.


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View PostTheOddRogue, on 05 May 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

this gives a clear advantage against tanks such as Type 5, Maus, 268 4. 

 

 

You mean the CWs tanks are now slightly more competitive against these OP tanks?

 

Can't see how that is a bad thing, all those tanks get premium spam anyway, because they 100% deserve it as they have no reliable frontal weakspots against tier 10 guns. If a Type 5 or 268v4 player has a worse game because a CW tank with 350 HEAT pen actually more reliably pens them then I think that is a very good thing, maybe those players will get put off playing these OP tanks with no frontal weakspots.

 

I had great fun yesterday spamming 350 HEAT in my M60 at 268v4s, Type 5s and 430Us, it actually made the engagement more balanced in my favour. I am not a great fan of the change, but to be honest the impact is going to be tiny, there are barely any of these tanks anyway (there are currently 7k M60's on the EU server and I'd reckon more than 50% of those are on accounts that people no longer play) and 350 HEAT pen is 6% more pen than 330 HEAT, not to mention tanks like the 430U, E5, IS4 etc. all have 340 HEAT pen anyway. 



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View PostElement6_TheSprout, on 05 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I wouldn't call this ruining the game, I think I remember seeing one M60 in battle during the last year or so, wouldn't mind seeing some more tbh. There's like 7100 of them in EU.

 

I didn't say anything about the issue in this thread. Your statement also wasn't directed only to this one issue, but all the times people complained about something. 






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