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Bulldog_Drummond #1 Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:35 PM

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Years ago when I played board wargames someone came up with the concept of the Fuzzy-Wuzzy theory.  Out in Africa (think of Zulu or Zulu Dawn) in the good old days the British rifleman in his red coat could kill a lot of Fuzzy-Wuzzies (or Zulus) but that wasn't necessarily going to win the battle.  Although each individual Fuzzy-Wuzzy might not do much damage compared to the redcoat as a part of a pack he could soak up damage and get a win.  In the board wargame context this rule of thumb calculation was especially useful in a naval context where, for example, a few RN cruisers could (and in real life did) beat a German pocket battleship.

 

In the context of the game I think that ability to soak up and deflect damage is often overlooked.  I have some tanks with pretty feeble guns but where on average they double or triple their hit point pool simply because their armour deflects so many shots that would otherwise be killing team mates.  This is not reflected in WN8 scores but it is by no means ineffective in getting the wins.  On one memorable occasion my 112 (which has a poor gun but good armour) managed to deflect 30,000 damage.

 

Here is Kipling on the subject of how the Fuzzies broke a British square: http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_fuzzywuzzy.htm

 

 


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 07 May 2018 - 01:36 PM.


Strappster #2 Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:41 PM

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Do you like Kipling?

I don't know, I've never kippled.

 



Bulldog_Drummond #3 Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:44 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 07 May 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

Do you like Kipling?

I don't know, I've never kippled.

 

 

 

He also makes exceedingly good cakes.



Strappster #4 Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:45 PM

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If you can make a sponge that's light yet flavoursome, you'll be a man, my son.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 07 May 2018 - 01:59 PM

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Much the same as spotting. I've sat in a bush, done 10K spotting and not fired a single shot all game. Top on XP. Zero WN8. Hardly seems fair.

 

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Strappster #6 Posted 07 May 2018 - 02:21 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 07 May 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

Much the same as spotting. I've sat in a bush, done 10K spotting and not fired a single shot all game. Top on XP. Zero WN8. Hardly seems fair.

 

T'was ever thus because assist damage isn't one of the values available through WG's APIs that are used to retrieve the values used for calculating WN8. That's why WN8 padders play a lot of lights as though they were mediums - light damage is factored at a higher value for WN8 to compensate for the lack of assist.

 

Then they complain that lights don't have a role since the lines changed.



jack_timber #7 Posted 07 May 2018 - 05:37 PM

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L/Cpl Jones in Dad's Army used to recount tales about the Fuzzy Wuzzies, they don't like it up 'em....

Funnily enough just watched a couple of episodes last night from 1974.

The sad part about it I can remember when they were first screened.....

 



Jigabachi #8 Posted 07 May 2018 - 05:48 PM

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That's quite the cold coffee. That concept around "tanks" (= well armored or high HP units that deflect or soak up damage) exists since the dawn of computergames. Here it is less obvious because... well... everyone is a tank. But still. If you have good armor or enough HP to withstand the attacks of the enemy, you are at an advantage. That's basic tactics.

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View PostJigabachi, on 07 May 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

That's quite the cold coffee. That concept around "tanks" (= well armored or high HP units that deflect or soak up damage) exists since the dawn of computergames. Here it is less obvious because... well... everyone is a tank. But still. If you have good armor or enough HP to withstand the attacks of the enemy, you are at an advantage. That's basic tactics.

 

It's odd, isn't it. Last night I was playing a battle in the Prosecco and we'd advanced to near their cap, where we knew that at least a Strv. S1 was lurking and a Pershing hadn't been spotted all battle so he might be there too. While I waited for the support to arrive (couple of TDs), I told them in chat that I had enough hp remaining to eat a shot so ping when ready and I'll rush.

 

Worked like a charm, though I took a shot from both the S1 and the Pershing I survived the battle and we were all posting gg in chat like it'd gone out of fashion. Great fun and please tell me I'm great because I crave validation:)



Jigabachi #10 Posted 07 May 2018 - 06:00 PM

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Sometimes it works, but most of the time it requires lots of luck because... you know. Randoms.

Dorander #11 Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:47 PM

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Me and my Maus agree with this thread.

 

We're being cheered on by our dumb cousins, the VK4502B and the PzKpfwVII.

 

Also Strappy, validation given! I shall not let anything silly like a drawn line through words prevent me from reading!






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