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_PanPolicjant_ #1 Posted 09 May 2018 - 02:48 PM

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Topic was discussed here few times I believe, so I will try to look at it from different perspective. Me, as a player that doesn't own Defender, is waiting patiently until it will be available in the gift shop. A lot of people is against selling it again though; popular argument is fact that this tank is too OP (are you sure?), so it will break the game. I am wondering if these players actually want to deny fact that Defender is already part of a game or they just have it, thus they don't care about the others and want to be more unique, just by owning this tank.

 

Personally speaking, as a fan of modern history, Defender is very important to me EDIT: (did I say it was a real tank? Or maybe it is just a symbol for me)

 

That is basically all I wanted to say.

 

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Tanks are for the players, right?


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Sfinski #2 Posted 09 May 2018 - 02:52 PM

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Defender is already part of the game, but it doesn't need to break the game anymore than it does already. 

 

It should never be sold again. 

 

I do not have it. 



Search_Warrant #3 Posted 09 May 2018 - 02:54 PM

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View Post_PanPolicjant_, on 09 May 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

Defender is very important to me

 

 

Its important to me that they never sell it again. for the sake of game balance.

_PanPolicjant_ #4 Posted 09 May 2018 - 02:57 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 09 May 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

 

Its important to me that they never sell it again. for the sake of game balance.

 

Somehow they still maintained the balance on the CIS server after selling it 3 months ago

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"Personally speaking, as a fan of modern history, Defender is very important to me"

For me as well, my grandpa told me about the liberation back in 1945. These majestic tanks rolled through the streets, while just a few days earlier they were fighting off Panther, Tiger and even Jagdtiger tanks! I even have a picture of my grandpa (as little kid) sitting on a Obj252U. I would love to show him that tank in my virtual garage.

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 09 May 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

"Personally speaking, as a fan of modern history, Defender is very important to me"

For me as well, my grandpa told me about the liberation back in 1945. These majestic tanks rolled through the streets, while just a few days earlier they were fighting off Panther, Tiger and even Jagdtiger tanks! I even have a picture of my grandpa (as little kid) sitting on a Obj252U. I would love to show him that tank in my virtual garage.

 

Have you just suggested that WoT is a fully historical game? Defender is a symbol, no one told it actually existed ffs

Search_Warrant #7 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:00 PM

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View Post_PanPolicjant_, on 09 May 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

 

Somehow they still maintained the balance on the CIS server after selling it 3 months ago

 

Very different style of gameplay as a server. they spam gold just like chinese server so armor is not as "bad" and winning is everything to them. to the point of cheating if it means winning.

 

EU have some (SOME) morals when it comes to gold ammo, so armor is more "usefull" and we would rather have weakspots rather than "press 2 to win". so Defender is allot stronger here than the other servers. i own the tank, its OP. im telling you as a blue player and someone with experience, it IS OP.



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 09 May 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

 

Its important to me that they never sell it again. for the sake of game balance.

 

Game what???? I've seen 3 legged donkeys more balanced than anything in this game. In fairness though Provience map is very balanced its a fucked up camp fest on both sides.

_PanPolicjant_ #9 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:01 PM

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View PostKung_Fu_Chicken, on 09 May 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

 

Game what???? I've seen 3 legged donkeys more balanced than anything in this game. In fairness though Provience map is very balanced its a fucked up camp fest on both sides.

 

precise
 

View PostSearch_Warrant, on 09 May 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

 

Very different style of gameplay as a server. they spam gold just like chinese server so armor is not as "bad" and winning is everything to them. to the point of cheating if it means winning.

 

EU have some (SOME) morals when it comes to gold ammo, so armor is more "usefull" and we would rather have weakspots rather than "press 2 to win". so Defender is allot stronger here than the other servers. i own the tank, its OP. im telling you as a blue player and someone with experience, it IS OP.

 

I didn't notice this "morals" abut premium shells on the Europen server honestly...
 

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View Post_PanPolicjant_, on 09 May 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

Personally speaking, as a fan of modern history, Defender is very important to me

 

Because the Object 252U played a crucial part in the history books, eh?

 

Nevertheless, I have the Object 252U in my garage and I want it rebalanced regardless of that fact. It's completely overpowered, and you just want one too because of that - no need to make up other stories. The Object 252U should have been the tier 9 replacing the spot of the T-10, leading into the IS-7 instead of the broken nonsense that is the Object 257.



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View PostCelution, on 09 May 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

 

Because the Object 252U played a crucial part in the history books, eh?

 

Nevertheless, I have the Object 252U in my garage and I want it rebalanced regardless of that fact. It's completely overpowered, and you just want one too because of that - no need to make up other stories. The Object 252U should have been the tier 9 replacing the spot of the T-10, leading into the IS-7 instead of the broken nonsense that is the Object 257.

 

I've replied earlier about the case of history, not goin to do it again. It can obvioulsy be nerfed

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View Post_PanPolicjant_, on 09 May 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

 It can obvioulsy be nerfed

 

It can't though...



_PanPolicjant_ #13 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:05 PM

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View PostSfinski, on 09 May 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

 

It can't though...

 

It doesn't necessarily have to be though

Search_Warrant #14 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:08 PM

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View Post_PanPolicjant_, on 09 May 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

 

It doesn't necessarily have to be though

 

But..you just said WG can nerf the tank. which they cant. and they must if they want it balanced, which they cant. so only way to fix it is to refund/remove from everyone or never sell it again. WG like money so they wont sell it again (untill some dev eats crayons)

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_PanPolicjant_ #15 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:11 PM

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 09 May 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

 

But..you just said WG can nerf the tank. which they cant. and they must if they want it balanced, which they cant. so only way to fix it is to refund/remove from everyone or never sell it again. WG like money so they wont sell it again (untill some dev eats crayons)

 

I said they can, but doesn't have to. Defender isn't such a great tank if it isn't in good hands. Look at worse players dmg ratio - 0,8 or 0,9. So nerf teoretically is an option, but Defender is simply a good tank. There are awful tanks, very bad and good ones. That it how this game works

malachi6 #16 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:13 PM

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Given the 252 was purely a paper tank.  Attempting to attach historical importance to it is doubtful at best.  And an ill reasoned excuse in all probability.

Strappster #17 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:17 PM

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I have one and I hope it does get sold again at some point so that all those players who think it's a magic solution to their WN8-woees can find out for themselves how utterly tedious the damn thing is to play. Yes, it's a strong tier 8 and looking at the numbers it certainly appears to be over-performing for its tier but it's ponderous, the gun exhibits the sort of RNG that punishes you a lot more often than it helps and these days you're focused the moment you're spotted because of its reputation.

 

If I could sell the thing for gold or to another player, it would have gone a long time ago. That said, I intend to play it in Frontline today because it's still a strong tier 8 and hopefully the incoming gold spam won't be quite as immediate as it is in randoms.



Mr_Missclick #18 Posted 09 May 2018 - 03:23 PM

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Yep, it should be sold once again. It maybe has a good armor but still it can be penetrated, considering the currently state of the game. I don't have it and I don't think it's OP. It has just armor. Gun is cringe and agility is slight average. I've never seen that it's reached glorious results in a battle.

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Defender is just OP. 440 dmg on a HT and that kind of armour.... it's not even  that much slower than an IS-3.

 

I do not own one and would rather see the whole tank gone than receiving one myself.



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Overrated, overhyped. Broken and a disease yes. 





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