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catatpillar #1 Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:57 PM

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Not only that it has the worst matchmaking, but it has the worst elevation angle. It feels like you aren't playing an artillery but regular tank, while shooting the shells fly straight forward. Every other tier 9 artillery can shoot above low profile obstacles, except the B-C. 

Also doesn't have low profile like most of the french artilleries and you can be shot while hiding behind a house (ofc not from another french arty).

It is a pain in the *edited* to grind 277k exp with this arty.


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Dorander #2 Posted 11 May 2018 - 12:04 AM

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Ever tried playing the German arty? At least that French thing comes with an autoloader...

 

If you want high firing arcs the British I think have the best, Americans are good too. Russians... not sure what they bring to the table. Really have no idea why you'd ever pick the Germans either, but the French... ooh-la-la, autoloadeur! and movement speed of course, those things can relocate like their current spot is on fire.



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View Postcatatpillar, on 10 May 2018 - 11:57 PM, said:

Not only that it has the worst matchmaking, 

Worst of what?  Tier IX arty?

 

It has a fully rotating turret, that's it's "thing".



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Probably the best tier 9 arty after M53/M55.

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

Worst of what?  Tier IX arty?

 

It has a fully rotating turret, that's it's "thing".

Yes, mr. Troll_a_lot_fanboy_that_loves_my_threads

And not only among other artilleries, but it is placed at one of the last positions winrate wise.

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View PostDorander, on 10 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Ever tried playing the German arty? At least that French thing comes with an autoloader...

 

If you want high firing arcs the British I think have the best, Americans are good too. Russians... not sure what they bring to the table. Really have no idea why you'd ever pick the Germans either, but the French... ooh-la-la, autoloadeur! and movement speed of course, those things can relocate like their current spot is on fire.

Tier 9 is not auto loader.

Dude, its shells cannot fly over the grass half the time.

And the auto-rotating turret comes for the price of slow bad maneuverability. I played all french arties from tier 4 to 9.

 

Ps. And it got nerfed right before i purchased it. Dunno how people concider it OP, probably they never played it, being useless on most maps if their team doesn't position accordingly to your position. Shells already fly close to the ground, imagine half the maps are town or filled with rocks like El Halluf.

I love to play arty but that one ruins my satisfaction.



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View PostDorander, on 10 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Ever tried playing the German arty? At least that French thing comes with an autoloader...

 

Nope, just the turret. Only the tier 10 gets a 3-shot auto-loader with 10s reload between shells (used to be 4 shots and 6s).

 

View PostDorander, on 10 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Russians... not sure what they bring to the table.

 

Used to be big damage and splash countered by long reloads and narrow arcs. Now I don't know, probably the same but less like all the others.

 

View PostDorander, on 10 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Really have no idea why you'd ever pick the Germans either ...

 

Most accurate.

 

View PostDorander, on 10 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

... but the French... ooh-la-la, autoloadeur! and movement speed of course, those things can relocate like their current spot is on fire.

 

Yeah, the mobility is excellent and means you can run with the mediums. Low pen and alpha and possibly the smallest splash but they're accurate and reload relatively quickly.

 

As for the OP, use the mobility. It's not an arty you can park at the back and spam, you need to move around and find different angles. The shell arc is low because the shells fly fast (for an arty) so it's useful for moving targets. The main benefit I've found from the turret is by locking it in place with right-mouse while you relocate, there's no need to do the arty shuffle to line up your gun when you get to your firing position.

 

You've noticed that French arty has shallow shell arcs, you can work with that by finding height on the map. You still won't be dropping shells straight down except at extreme range but it means you can fire over more cover. If you prefer to sit in a river bed and not relocate, I'm frankly amazed you've reached tier 9 in the French line.



catatpillar #7 Posted 11 May 2018 - 02:08 AM

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@Strappser you don't say, Scherlock! (mind blown reply, but for someone who never played french arty)

 

Ps. Thanks for the time tho.

 


Edited by catatpillar, 11 May 2018 - 02:25 AM.


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View Postcatatpillar, on 11 May 2018 - 01:55 AM, said:

Yes, mr. Troll_a_lot_fanboy_that_loves_my_threads

 

You have 85 posts, I barely know you are here.

 

You still need to explain how it has "worst matchmaking".



catatpillar #9 Posted 11 May 2018 - 02:24 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 11 May 2018 - 01:18 AM, said:

View Postcatatpillar, on 11 May 2018 - 01:55 AM, said:

Yes, mr. Troll_a_lot_fanboy_that_loves_my_threads

 

You have 85 posts, I barely know you are here.

 

You still need to explain how it has "worst matchmaking".

Yet i see you in every thread i open.

Go check vbaddict section winrate. Not sure uploading screenshots from the phone working in the forum.

 

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Obviosly i drew the B-C elevation arc, but you get the point.



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View Postcatatpillar, on 11 May 2018 - 02:24 AM, said:

Yet i see you in every thread i open.

 

I'm in every thread anyone opens.  Don't go thinking you are special.



catatpillar #11 Posted 11 May 2018 - 02:28 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 11 May 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

I'm in every thread anyone opens.  Don't go thinking you are special.

Aww that's so sad, due to i never saw something helpful or productive came out of you. I will keep that in mind in future posts.


Edited by catatpillar, 11 May 2018 - 02:29 AM.


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View PostHomer_J, on 11 May 2018 - 02:18 AM, said:

 

You still need to explain how it has "worst matchmaking".

^^This



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View Postcatatpillar, on 10 May 2018 - 11:57 PM, said:

It is a pain in the a** to grind 277k exp with this arty.

 

I hear this feeling is fairly common with arty players.

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View PostStrappster, on 11 May 2018 - 01:04 AM, said:

 

Nope, just the turret. Only the tier 10 gets a 3-shot auto-loader with 10s reload between shells (used to be 4 shots and 6s).

 

 

Used to be big damage and splash countered by long reloads and narrow arcs. Now I don't know, probably the same but less like all the others.

 

 

Most accurate.

 

 

Yeah, the mobility is excellent and means you can run with the mediums. Low pen and alpha and possibly the smallest splash but they're accurate and reload relatively quickly.

 

As for the OP, use the mobility. It's not an arty you can park at the back and spam, you need to move around and find different angles. The shell arc is low because the shells fly fast (for an arty) so it's useful for moving targets. The main benefit I've found from the turret is by locking it in place with right-mouse while you relocate, there's no need to do the arty shuffle to line up your gun when you get to your firing position.

 

You've noticed that French arty has shallow shell arcs, you can work with that by finding height on the map. You still won't be dropping shells straight down except at extreme range but it means you can fire over more cover. If you prefer to sit in a river bed and not relocate, I'm frankly amazed you've reached tier 9 in the French line.

 

Ah, I stand corrected on the autoloadeur then. I get my BCs confused sometimes, need to get my bats in a row.

 

German ones most accurate... *looks at the GW Tiger P*. I fear for the rest of the arties if that's the case.


Edited by Dorander, 11 May 2018 - 09:10 AM.


Simeon85 #15 Posted 11 May 2018 - 09:33 AM

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There is an easy solution - don't play arty.

 

It has a turret and it's very mobile, those are it's things.  Thing is the average artillery player is a bit 'special' and the concept of moving does not compute. 


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catatpillar #16 Posted 11 May 2018 - 09:37 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 11 May 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

There is an easy solution - don't play arty.

 

It has a turret and it's very mobile, those are it's things.  Thing is the average artillery player is a bit 'special' and the concept of moving does not compute. 

I move a lot dude, a lot... I have games in Paris map that i go with heavies to play peek-a-boo support due to missing of the elevation arc and many buildings.

Thing is that there was a pretty big nerf ONLY to this artillery in one patch before 1.0, and it was almost nerfed to the ground. French Tier 9 is less accurate than lower tiers i have played, and moving makes things even harder. If you have your reticle closed (asuming you waited and your target remains stationary) you still have a pretty big chance to miss. Moving turret should help for a faster closing of the reticle and more accurate shooting but nah... And if you add the low flying shells (close to the ground without proper elevation arc) and moving to reposition things get pretty uglier.

And that scenario we talking about is 1 out of 3 games, cos in the rest your team get peeled before you have a chance to load your 2nd shell. Atleast in those extended games i want to make impact, not missing half my shots.

There are many things it is not only just one. But if they fix ATLEAST elevation arc and accuracy a bit rest wont matter that much, because you experience the same troubles while playing any other artillery and arty players are used to it.

 

Ps. I have hit more moving targets with Grille that has the tiniest V range, rather than with a turreted SPG. Something not working as intended it seems.


Edited by catatpillar, 11 May 2018 - 09:42 PM.


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Or maybe the problem is not the arty but you just being bad at the game? Ah, that answer would be too simple and make too much sense, must be something else.....

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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 11 May 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

Or maybe the problem is not the arty but you just being bad at the game? Ah, that answer would be too simple and make too much sense, must be something else.....

That's a brainless response. Did you just woke up in your cave, open the forum and randomly clicked to this topic to tell someone that he sucks at the game? Or i am one of the few left that haven't heard your "words of wisdom" yet and now it was "my turn"?

Did you read that i didn't complained from another arty i have played? And let's say i'm bad at the game, i still enjoy playing artillery, and i enjoyed a lot of them climbing that exact tree, BUT i don't enjoy that one.

Especially after the last nerf. Other players threw it in the trash bin long ago, but i'm stubborn enough to play it... 



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View Postcatatpillar, on 10 May 2018 - 11:57 PM, said:

Not only that it has the worst matchmaking, but it has the worst elevation angle. It feels like you aren't playing an artillery but regular tank, while shooting the shells fly straight forward. Every other tier 9 artillery can shoot above low profile obstacles, except the B-C. 

Also doesn't have low profile like most of the french artilleries and you can be shot while hiding behind a house (ofc not from another french arty).

It is a pain in the a** to grind 277k exp with this arty.

You will learn to like it.

Shoot at soft targets like LT. A very enjoyable occupation.

You would not believe the level of incomptence.

You have a rotationg turret, hence stop whining but fight!



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In arty MM isn't even relevant.




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