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MyArmorIsGolden #1 Posted 11 May 2018 - 06:23 PM

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And why?

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I would recomend you to wait a little longer till you venture in higher tiers, between 6-8 tier games and IX-X there is a huge gap of gameplay

its way more demanding to play higher tiers, the average level of the players increase significantly and less experient players tend to suffer

 

but answering the question:  ST-I and why: 

Its russian, its armor works better than on paper, while the German E75 despite very good does require more mastery, specialy because people tend to shot a lot of gold to your frontal armor.

 

the ST-I turret armor works very well against gold, hardly any gold shell will penetrate it frontaly, unless they hit the commander hatch

the mobility is more or less the same in both tanks will do 40 kph downhill, and it will reach fairly easy the 40 kph in flat surfaces with hard soil

 

The gun on the E75 does have more alpha, but the 122mm of the ST-I reloads faster, making it less dependant on your teams...

both tanks are good for sidescraping but the ST-I again is better because of the turret factor... 

 

 



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Both have a dreadful stock grinds if you've not researched some other lines first.

E75 is awesome, with a good, beefy gun. I don't own an St-1 but from what I've seen and heard, it's also pretty solid.

But if completely stock (no Is-3 gun), I'd go for E75. I'd rather grind all the way to Is3 than go tier9 with 175mm pen.

Or just free exp the top gun.

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View PostKillingJoker, on 11 May 2018 - 06:32 PM, said:

I would recomend you to wait a little longer till you venture in higher tiers, between 6-8 tier games and IX-X there is a huge gap of gameplay

its way more demanding to play higher tiers, the average level of the players increase significantly and less experient players tend to suffer

 

but answering the question:  ST-I and why: 

Its russian, its armor works better than on paper, while the German E75 despite very good does require more mastery, specialy because people tend to shot a lot of gold to your frontal armor.

 

the ST-I turret armor works very well against gold, hardly any gold shell will penetrate it frontaly, unless they hit the commander hatch

the mobility is more or less the same in both tanks will do 40 kph downhill, and it will reach fairly easy the 40 kph in flat surfaces with hard soil

 

The gun on the E75 does have more alpha, but the 122mm of the ST-I reloads faster, making it less dependant on your teams...

both tanks are good for sidescraping but the ST-I again is better because of the turret factor... 

 

 

 

But hull of ST 1 is joke for any gold ammo from tier 9 and 10. Hatch got nerf in HD as well, DPM for 440 alpha is bad, mobility is crap. ST 1 you can circle a lot easier then E75. 

Both those tank are paper for gold ammo. 

FatigueGalaxy #5 Posted 11 May 2018 - 06:55 PM

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E-75.

Both have comparable armour with some weakpoints (E-75 - meh turret, ST-1 - very weak LFP) and similar mobility. But E-75 has vastly superior gun - bigger alpha (means a lot for a tank with good armour) and much better gun handling. Also, 400 m vs 380 m view range.

IIRC ST-1's turret got nerfed with HD model and it's nothing special anymore (cupola can be penetrated by same tier tanks pretty easily).

 

E-75 can bully lower tiers no matter what position you are in. ST-1 has to sit hulldown or sidescraping because LFP is easy to pen.



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Whatever you do, do not ever try to grind out the ST-1 from stock. I made the  bubu of grinding it from stock, really really don't! Can't imagine a worst stock grind honestly, it has to be one of the worst ever stock grinds. I don't own an E -75 but the ST-1 is a great tank fully upgraded.

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E75 or Bad Conqueror?

 

E75 wait till IS-4 line is buffed.



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View Postares354, on 11 May 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

 

But hull of ST 1 is joke for any gold ammo from tier 9 and 10. Hatch got nerf in HD as well, DPM for 440 alpha is bad, mobility is crap. ST 1 you can circle a lot easier then E75. 

Both those tank are paper for gold ammo. 

 

Not its not... the ST-I hull works pretty well for a tank that is supposed to be hull down and fighting mainly sidescraping or using the turret

 

the turret front is super solid, you cant be penetrated with gold, SIMPLE, the enemy either hit your weakspot, and still they will need 250mm at least to penetrate it

or... they will bounce all day...

 

You cant possibly have the same hull down experience in the E75, the E75 turret can pentrated frontaly, the E75 lower plate is more easy to hit...

and the fact the E75 does have a more vulnerable turret makes it also less viable for sidescraping techniques...


That said: the E75 at higher tiers works more like a support heavy, while the ST-I can hold positions, assault, its in my opinion a tank that can have more impact in the game

 

But this is my opinion, anyone is free to disagree



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Have played the E75, I think it is one of my most played tanks in general.

Did enjoy it mostly but there are 1-2 years now I have sold it, so dont really know how it performs today.

From what I have heard it has been power creeped, Conqueror and AMX M4 51 must be much better these days, maybe WZ 111 1-5 too.

Recently bought the STI, only have 3 battles in it.



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ST-1 has beyond trash gun handling which is really annoying. E75 also has 400m of view range, vs 380 on the ST-1. Armor on the Russian only works when you are under pressure/being attacked, but since it's in hd the weak spot is weaker and noticably bigger, it didn't need that nerf. Although I have never played the E75, I think it would suit me better than the ST-1 (which I own).

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I would say ST-I because:

1) I have it and love it!

2) Very strong turret, with thick and sloped sides, front up to 300mm

3) Good hull armour, especially sides. Good sidescraper.

4) -8° gun dep, so you can go hulldown well

5) high pen, good alpha gun


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View PostKillingJoker, on 11 May 2018 - 07:12 PM, said:

 

Not its not... the ST-I hull works pretty well for a tank that is supposed to be hull down and fighting mainly sidescraping or using the turret

 

the turret front is super solid, you cant be penetrated with gold, SIMPLE, the enemy either hit your weakspot, and still they will need 250mm at least to penetrate it

or... they will bounce all day...

 

You cant possibly have the same hull down experience in the E75, the E75 turret can pentrated frontaly, the E75 lower plate is more easy to hit...

and the fact the E75 does have a more vulnerable turret makes it also less viable for sidescraping techniques...


That said: the E75 at higher tiers works more like a support heavy, while the ST-I can hold positions, assault, its in my opinion a tank that can have more impact in the game

 

But this is my opinion, anyone is free to disagree

 

I know you dont know how to play E75, but dont try to change reality. 

Do you wonna bet I cant pen with gold turret of ST 1? 

I have in both E75 and ST 1 better dmg per game, and yet you talk to me like I dont know how to play those tanks, ST 1. 

You may love that tank, fine. But if you cant use E75 power then that not my problem. 

If you wonna stick with tier 9 its up to you what kind of HT you like. ST 1 turret or E75 overall armor. If you take tier 10 into consideration, E100 is superior. 

And again, you may love ST 1, he is better at hulldown, coz russia armor and WG idea of balance. But hes hull is crap, and in city map that matter a lot. Both of those tanks have different role in battles 

Edited by ares354, 11 May 2018 - 08:26 PM.


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I did my 3rd heavy tank campaign in those 2 tanks. Both are good, but not great in any way. If you prefer hull-down get ST-I, if you prefer angling get E 75. In any case, don't get the tier Xs after those.

kejmo #14 Posted 11 May 2018 - 08:33 PM

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Russian game, Russian tanks > German tanks. 

 

Nuff said.



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View Postares354, on 11 May 2018 - 08:21 PM, said:

 

I know you dont know how to play E75, but dont try to change reality. 

Do you wonna bet I cant pen with gold turret of ST 1? 

I have in both E75 and ST 1 better dmg per game, and yet you talk to me like I dont know how to play those tanks, ST 1. 

You may love that tank, fine. But if you cant use E75 power then that not my problem. 

If you wonna stick with tier 9 its up to you what kind of HT you like. ST 1 turret or E75 overall armor. If you take tier 10 into consideration, E100 is superior. 

And again, you may love ST 1, he is better at hulldown, coz russia armor and WG idea of balance. But hes hull is crap, and in city map that matter a lot. Both of those tanks have different role in battles 


Unreal your turning an opinion based argument into an insult / offensive personal discussion allready saying that i dont know to play tank X or Y 

 

just unreal, when i saw you were a betatester i expected a bit more level of maturity.

 

-  the E75 was my first tier IX tank, when i played it, i was a noob, like any noob i rushed the Tiger 1 line, and then i got smacked in the face when i got tier IX and X

becuase i was no where near ready, for it... thats why i passed the next 10k games learning the game between tier V and VII sugestion many people in  this forum gave me...

 

-. Despite being a noob at the time and inexperient at higher tiers, i wouldnt say i "dont know how to play the E75" i fully understood its gameplay  strenghts and weaknesses, 

otherwise i wouldnt had mastered the tank and received more fighter badges per game in it than you....

 


Edited by KillingJoker, 11 May 2018 - 09:39 PM.


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View PostKillingJoker, on 11 May 2018 - 09:38 PM, said:


Unreal your turning an opinion based argument into an insult / offensive personal discussion allready saying that i dont know to play tank X or Y 

 

just unreal, when i saw you were a betatester i expected a bit more level of maturity.

 

-  the E75 was my first tier IX tank, when i played it, i was a noob, like any noob i rushed the Tiger 1 line, and then i got smacked in the face when i got tier IX and X

becuase i was no where near ready, for it... thats why i passed the next 10k games learning the game between tier V and VII sugestion many people in  this forum gave me...

 

-. Despite being a noob at the time and inexperient at higher tiers, i wouldnt say i "dont know how to play the E75" i fully understood its gameplay  strenghts and weaknesses, 

otherwise i wouldnt had mastered the tank and received more fighter badges per game in it than you....

 

 

E75 was too my first HT and I was bad player back then too. So what that change really? Maybe you use E75 wrong, or dont play like you should. Not like I should judge that. 

Do you really wonna go into this ? For some its dmg done that matter. Fighter only mean you kill more tanks. I have 3 mark so I know I mastered that tank for sure. 

You showed that guy who ask about those tanks that E75 is crap where ST 1 is sun and flawers. This is biased opinion. Just because you play better ST 1 dont to mean automatically E75 is crap. 

I am beta tester so what. I always say to face what I have in my mind. I dont lie nor work around people. Just the way I am. 

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View Postares354, on 13 May 2018 - 01:41 AM, said:

 


You showed that guy who ask about those tanks that E75 is crap where ST 1 is sun and flawers. This is biased opinion. Just because you play better ST 1 dont to mean automatically E75 is crap. 

I am beta tester so what. I always say to face what I have in my mind. I dont lie nor work around people. Just the way I am. 

 

I never said or written the E75 was crap...  i just said that between the E75 and the ST-I i would chose the ST-I for personal preference and i exposed my arguments already

 

the E75 is a fine all-around tank, the ST-I is a more specific type of heavy that when properly played can absolutely demolish half a team even under pressure...

 

The ST-I is underrated, the E75 isnt... despite the E75 is a good tank/heavy... 

 

and for all purposes, non of them arent even my favourite tier 9,heavy, because thats the T-10 



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View PostKillingJoker, on 13 May 2018 - 02:12 AM, said:

 

I never said or written the E75 was crap...  i just said that between the E75 and the ST-I i would chose the ST-I for personal preference and i exposed my arguments already

 

the E75 is a fine all-around tank, the ST-I is a more specific type of heavy that when properly played can absolutely demolish half a team even under pressure...

 

The ST-I is underrated, the E75 isnt... despite the E75 is a good tank/heavy... 

 

and for all purposes, non of them arent even my favourite tier 9,heavy, because thats the T-10 

 

Not straight forward. 

ST 1 cant demolish half team, only idiots. ST 1 have crap gun, if I wonna 122 mm gun with 258 pen I will use T10. If I wonna fast HT with 490 WZ 111 1-4. 

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I would say they are pretty damned balanced. E75 might have a slight edge of the ST but its very small.

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Both are great tanks but I would pick up E75. Once you learn how to angle your armor it becomes a beast. Better view range, agile & better gun compared to ST-1. ST-1 got all around better armor but E75 is all around better tank.




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