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Poll: churchill 3 as crew trainer or not (47 members have cast votes)

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Do you recommend the churchill 3 as crewtrainer

  1. yes (41 votes [87.23%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 87.23%

  2. no (6 votes [12.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.77%

(if you have a churchill 3) Do you enjoy playing it?

  1. yes (23 votes [48.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.94%

  2. it's okay (16 votes [34.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 34.04%

  3. meh (3 votes [6.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.38%

  4. no (5 votes [10.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.64%

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Hero2107 #1 Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:10 PM

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helly tankers,

 

I'm considering to buy the churchill 3 (at a discount (750 gold)), mostly as a crew trainer (considering i'm going for all 4 HT lines) and for a little bit of fun if it's possible. IS-6 would possibly be better, but I don't want to spend 40+ euro (i don't even want to know the exact) on that tank.

It turns out that the Churchill 3 has a very high (crew) experience multiplier or something, which makes it popular for crew training (according to wargaming wiki: http://wiki.wargamin...33_Churchill_LL )

 

So why would you (not) recommend this as a crew trainer?



Mav75 #2 Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:15 PM

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The problem for Churchill III is the anime tanks (O-I Exp and O-I) against which the gun struggles. Otherwise it's a decent/good tank for crew training.

 



UrQuan #3 Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:16 PM

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It's a good crew trainer, with some quirks. The tank is slow & low alpha damage, but the rapid fire makes up for it. Main danger is staying in the open because you want to get that extra shot off.

Carry some prem shells for when you need to shoot O-I's frontally, because it lacks the speed & mobility to flank them.

The rapid fire gun does offer good learning opportunities on permatracking enemies for free damage/bonus assist damage.

Edit: While the O-I tanks are indeed bad news for the Churchill III, its rapid fire gun offers a nice annoying feature against them. Due to the big size of the jap heavies, you can often shoot their track wheels (front or rear) to keep them tracked without them being able to hit you (works best at corners obviously)

 

The tank does make for a good crew trainer thanks to its unique XP bonus modifier + the standard prem tank crew XP bonus is bigger on lower tiers + the Pref MM assures that it never faces T7 tanks.


Edited by UrQuan, 13 May 2018 - 03:46 PM.


Bulldog_Drummond #4 Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:19 PM

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Everyone should have a Churchill III

 

Mine has a 7 skill crew, which helps



Balc0ra #5 Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:19 PM

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It's not as "fun" as it was in the old days and metas pasts. It's still a capable tank. But more situational in the current meta then before. But it's not worse off then the IS-6 with 175 pen and the super heavy meta it faces on tier 8.

 

It indeed still gets the old bonus XP. As it's the only tank in the game that don't follow the Tank specific balancing factor that is assumed to be 1 for all tanks in terms of calculating end xp. So it gets more xp for less. So in turn it's not a bad crew trainer.  It's still great if you close the distance and can use that ROF. But it don't excel to do well at med to long range engagements. As not all HT lines are about brawling early on in the game. And the pen is not fantastic, but it will get you past most armor. Tho Jap HT's can give you issues, so don't be afraid to dab that 2 key on some targets. Even the Excelsior can be a bit tricky, as you lack 4 average pen to get consistent damage. Then again so does he. But other then that, most targets won't give you much issues.


Edited by Balc0ra, 13 May 2018 - 03:20 PM.


Brodie_ #6 Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:33 PM

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I even bought it for a reroll account that I have!

 

It is not amazing!

But it is a good solid performer at tier 5 using it to it's strengths.

 

I generally take around 20 prem rounds with it, cos u need them!

However you still generally make a reasonable profit with it when they are used wisely!

I have fired of all 20 in the past, & still broken even!

 

It is one of the few tanks that you should run with a toolbox.

Cos it is so vulnerable to tracking.

I run mine with toolbox, large repair kit, small med kit, small repair kit.

I use the small repair kit, but carry the large just to get the tracks back on slightly quicker.

 

It's main strength is it's dpm!

So never trade with an enemy shot for shot!

Put yourself in a situation, where you can keep the enemy in view as you go after them firing shot after shot into them in till they die!

 

Good luck!

 

 

 



Rozbrus #7 Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:05 PM

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Yes and yes. One of my favorite tanks. Preferntial MM so does see only tier 6 and that fast reload gun...  Some people say it is slow. Well it is not a racer, but I do not have a problem to keep up with other heavies. Armor is a bit funky sometime, try not to show your nose too much. All in all I like it a lot.

Edited by Rozbrus, 13 May 2018 - 04:07 PM.


Hero2107 #8 Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:22 PM

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Thanks for the comments everyone!! I think the answer is pretty clear. :)

 

Wargaming, bring the discount! :izmena:



Bulldog_Drummond #9 Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:27 PM

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View PostHero2107, on 13 May 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

Thanks for the comments everyone!! I think the answer is pretty clear. :)

 

Wargaming, bring the discount! :izmena:

 

Discount?  The Churchill III costs the same as a pack of 10 cigarettes.

Suurpolskija #10 Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:31 PM

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I used to play it a lot (by my standards). It's got it's ups and downs I guess, but all in all it's a pretty good tank when you play it to it's strengths. It's not for making credits though and you shouldn't hesitate to double tap "2" -key when needed. The same goes for Excelsior which I also like. 

Brodie_ #11 Posted 13 May 2018 - 05:22 PM

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Just do not expect to much from it till you understand it's playstyle!

You will rarely be the strongest tank in the battle.

But get that gun penning with it's high dpm!

Do that, & you will always walk away with a reasonable amount of damage!

That is what the Churchill 3 is all about...

 

Good luck!

 

Angle it well, & then go at the enemy 1 at a time!


Edited by Brodie_, 13 May 2018 - 05:28 PM.


Rozbrus #12 Posted 13 May 2018 - 05:48 PM

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View PostSuurpolskija, on 13 May 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

I used to play it a lot (by my standards). It's got it's ups and downs I guess, but all in all it's a pretty good tank when you play it to it's strengths. It's not for making credits though and you shouldn't hesitate to double tap "2" -key when needed. The same goes for Excelsior which I also like. 

 

Yeah, especially against those Japanese monstrosities, do not hesiate to press 2. But then which tank on tier 5 does not have to press 2 (and do not say another Japanese monstrosity :- ) )

Edited by Rozbrus, 13 May 2018 - 05:49 PM.


Suurpolskija #13 Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:20 PM

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View PostRozbrus, on 13 May 2018 - 06:48 PM, said:

 

Yeah, especially against those Japanese monstrosities, do not hesiate to press 2. But then which tank on tier 5 does not have to press 2 (and do not say another Japanese monstrosity :- ) )

 

Well, Floppypanzer has 194mm pen and 240 alpha which is wicked for tier5. That'll go through O-Ni's front nipples like butter. 

S35 Ca also has 165mm with 300 alpha which is enough for O-I but not for O-Ni.

and all arty obviously. And derps. 

 

Atm I can't think of any other though. Those japs are a challenge frontally for normal ammo. 



Bulldog_Drummond #14 Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:22 PM

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View PostRozbrus, on 13 May 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

 

Yeah, especially against those Japanese monstrosities, do not hesiate to press 2. But then which tank on tier 5 does not have to press 2 (and do not say another Japanese monstrosity :- ) )

 

All you need to do with the Japanese heavies is flank them ;)

Slyspy #15 Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:38 PM

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As mentioned the Japanese heavy tanks essentially destroyed the fun factor of the Churchill III but it is does indeed have a good xp multiplier. 

Boogeyman44 #16 Posted 14 May 2018 - 09:06 AM

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Not sure it's worth it right now. The jap heavies ruined this tank. Stupid OI exp with that 300 alpha gun could wreck you in 2 shots. Tier 6 OI even more of a problem because or the retared armor. I know they have been nerfed, but are still a problem. 

 

Another issue is the t34-85m.. that thibg will wreck you whithout having to aim too much while you struggle to do 90 dmg to it with apcr. 

 

There are too many high alpha and high pen guns at tier 5-6 that can butter your weak turret. You can't trade because of low alpha and you can't flank or use exposed parts of the map because of slow speed.

 

I have it and the is6 and never play them. Preferential mm nowadays mean playing gimped tanks fot very little reward.

 

Final thougths: armor only works against newbies. Don't buy.

Wait for is2 berlin and get that instead if you really need a russian crew trainer.



Rozbrus #17 Posted 14 May 2018 - 11:05 AM

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It is not as dire as you describe. I usualy do not meet Japanes heavies alone unless it is one of those games where my team dies before I even press W. Second, and it is my subjective opinion, Japanese heavy drivers are not the brightest among us. And third, just press 2 if you meet any :-) I am more affraid of those KV-2s, they really hurt and are often played by players who knows what they are doing.

But as with every tank in game, what one finds a fun and great tank, another one dislikes. As it should be. I, one the other hand, would not go to tier 9 batles with a 175 pen gun that IS2 has.


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View PostBoogeyman44, on 14 May 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

Not sure it's worth it right now. The jap heavies ruined this tank. Stupid OI exp with that 300 alpha gun could wreck you in 2 shots. Tier 6 OI even more of a problem because or the retared armor. I know they have been nerfed, but are still a problem. 

 

Another issue is the t34-85m.. that thibg will wreck you whithout having to aim too much while you struggle to do 90 dmg to it with apcr. 

 

There are too many high alpha and high pen guns at tier 5-6 that can butter your weak turret. You can't trade because of low alpha and you can't flank or use exposed parts of the map because of slow speed.

 

I have it and the is6 and never play them. Preferential mm nowadays mean playing gimped tanks fot very little reward.

 

Final thougths: armor only works against newbies. Don't buy.

Wait for is2 berlin and get that instead if you really need a russian crew trainer.

 

That Japanese 300 alpha gun went some time ago.  It is still a very good Tier 5 tank but got a major nerf to its guns.  The 12 cm HEAT is still pretty good, if it pens.

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View PostHero2107, on 13 May 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

Thanks for the comments everyone!! I think the answer is pretty clear. :)

 

Wargaming, bring the discount! :izmena:

 

Just make sure you know where the battle is going to be. Otherwise by the time you get there it will be over lol 

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The Churchill III is my goto tank for missions where I have to finish in the top 3 or 5 on XP.




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